What are some things, besides the stuff you mentioned about Kefo, that you would consider to be dickish? Like where is the line drawn for you in, say, SFW? What's utilizing it for dickishness versus just playing the game, in your opinion?Want my "Dignity" points? I can do that.
Don't a dîck.
Don't let others be a dîck
Tuts are people, be nice either way when possible
If you have to be a dîck, have a good reason.
Don't use sfw to be a dïck
Don't use forums to be a dïck
Be you, and enjoy it.
Treat people with respect and don't mislead them with trolling if they are legitimately trying to learn.
Use your position, whatever it is, to make people better, not confuse them
Be tolerant, but not of the intolerant or the stupid.
Realize PIMD is a community of individuals, and try to be good to each of them, big and small, unless they are a dïck.
.... I realize, by these points, it's clear I don't like dïcks... sue me.
Guide to Dignity
- Thread starter Kefo
- Start date
WaterSprite
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This is actually helpful to people.Not Cool
- "Don't hire my tutor!!!" (excusable for super new players that haven't finished the tutorial; more embarassing the higher their bonus to pupil)
- Saying kc / mc instead of kcs / mcs
- Posting graphic sexual rp requests in pub
- Doing any type of RWC trading (misc, accounts...)
- Saying PvP is inherently harassment
- Requiring that people gift premium droppers (especially if they restrict what you can gift, i.e. "you have to give chibis")
- Doxxing people / otherwise sharing private info over petty drama (aka majority of the drama on pimd)
- Club tags in usernames (just kinda cringy; performative loyalty, doesn't really mean anything)
- Making alts just for trading
- "Trusted Trader"
Cool! Do this stuff!!!!!
- Genuinely helping new/uninformed players (especially if you run an actually helpful POTD club for <50kcs)
- Doing no-strings-attached giveaways
- Doing your best to offer constructive criticism to the developers and giving due praise when they introduce something you really enjoy
- Being able to work together with other players positively (i.e. running a club, hosting a war/flash/BBB, coordinating a SFW, writing a guide together, etc)
I’m a sinner
WaterSprite
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If you are calling sfw instead of just having pvp fun, that's a dïck move, if the person has been involved in a pre-existing issue, or starts a new one ( by being a dîck) sfw is one of the tools the community has in the game to correct bad behavior, or, if everyone agrees to it, it's a decent way to make money and test your skills. Sfw isn't necessarily bad, how it is used, and threats to people very much can be. It should be warranted, or understood, at least before taking part in such an "intense" aspect of the game I think.
WaterSprite
Member
I am not your competition. I actually try to learn from the people here, many people are awesome, this whole shīt show was a grave disappointment. The replies were better though, so, congrats for spurring them on I suppose. I'm aware PIMD is a wide community, that's why you can never really ever write a "Guide on Dignity". Its never one person, no matter how big their ego's place to write bullet points on such a subjective and personal thing. A guide on acceptable conduct, a guide on shītty conduct, a guide on being decent to people... sure, but, dignity? Who is anyone to put a value on what other people can value themselves on? Satire is fine, but it helps no one, and this simply isn't the forum for it. There was no "stragedy" in this.I'm disappointed in my competition using strawmans, ignoring half of the post, and trying to present the message of the entire second half in strewn out and negative posts, taking up time and blowing a single word "Guide" into this big thing. If that is your problem, I'm not changing it.
Your problem with the post isn't even clear. Idk what to say anymore because you just keep saying it's valueless which hurts because I made this with good intentions and am listenint to the valid criticisms you make and actually agree with them.
Now you just say "fail" and "invalid" and "insignificant" which is usually a sign that it's time to move on.
You haven't stopped being negative despite my efforts and the efforts of others to show you how not malicious this is.
The "crazy wacky intolerant" opinions presented in the first half are MILD compared to what many in the community hold. And I know that making this post that sits somewhere between both sides of and represents both sides of the spectrum that I see, fairly well, would be somewhat interesting and of interest to those who are navigating the community and come across different perspectives.
To demonstrate the variety of views on dignity and talk about how they react and ask people to contribute their own is an exploratory practice that we can have fun with. You just seem incapable of confronting and intolerant of what people count as dignified.
You were clearly deeply challenged and that is cool but you've been monkeying on enough.
I have been trying to meet in the middle and understand you but you just make things so hostile, it's disheartening.
WaterSprite
Member
That's why I said, this particular post was better spent on grumpy cat memes, they are far, FAR more useful than the original (well formatted, but poorly written) post.
WaterSprite
Member
Those people who have a 3 year account and are less than 1 mcs, do they have dignity or no, because they have their own lives and come on here to rp and have fun and talk to friends, where do they fall on your hierarchy of dignity? I'm legit curious now.
I'm legit curious now.I don't think SFW has to be as intense as it seems tbh. I think it would be a lot less threatening if more of an effort was made to incorporate PvP in the game. It is one of the many things I think the tutorial is lacking in helping players. It used to be, like, the only main feature on this game. I understand games grow and adjust as time goes by, but I do think that the devs aren't doing justice in preserving the PvP roots. It would be a lot less scary if people were able to learn it from the get-go and understand things like hiding your cash / etc. The threat of SFW wouldn't be so much of a threat if players knew how to fight back and defend themselves and their cash. And ATA (and in some cases, fellow players) aren't doing their part with equipping players with that knowledge.
WaterSprite
Member
Are they less dignified than those who spend hundreds to eat cats and amass 100 mcs accounts within the same time, yet, don't rp? Tell me, arbitrator of all humankind, teach me, I'm so very stupid, and want to learn. Tell me who is worthy of caring about. Who should I respect? Whose dignity should I admire?
Not gonna lie, I love doing this.
But yeah. What is wrong with the opposite of your opinion?
When you swap the post around by changing some asymmetrical words and show the opinions they are excluding/contesting.Want my "Dignity" points? I can do that.
Don't a pussy.
Don't let others be pussies
Tuts give you tb, max plunder, and keep your money safe. Hire them. You don't have to be their friend.
If you have to be a pussy, have a good reason.
Don't use parties to be a pussy
Don't use forums to be an overly sensitive pussy
Be you, and enjoy it.
Treat people with respect and don't mislead them with trolling if they are legitimately trying to learn.
Use your position, whatever it is, to make things better, not be a pushover pussy keeping the status quo.
Be tolerant, but not of the intolerant or the stupid.
Realize PIMD is a community of individuals, and try to be good to each of them, big and small, unless they are a pussy.
But yeah. What is wrong with the opposite of your opinion?
WaterSprite
Member
I agree, and honestly, I think a lot of sfw issues need not affect a whole club, could be a bit of fun between players, no need to make it a whole thing, but, I understand, there is cash and opportunity in it, I can't hate it completely, but a 70 mcs account threatening a club of noobs and using alts to farm 40mcs worth of "story rewards" is "undignified" to me.
No. People who spend money and try hard to increase their stats, I think, are missing the enjoyment of PIMD. The kinds of players you are referring to are usually party fairies. And I don't respect them. Never have.
Those large people who do not rp because rp'ers are scum of the earth snd noobs and they are better than them are my least favourite kind of player on pimd no matter their stats.
WaterSprite
Member
Again, you prove your opinions to be kinda worthless if you think everyone is a pūssy or a díck, especially for someone who insists on rp from people..
WaterSprite
Member
I respect this much more.
WaterSprite
Member
So, you want to tell people about dignity, yet hate people who work hard for stats, don't bother people, or anyone who simply doesn't want to rp? That's just silly dude...
#f2pPure4LifeWhoTfIsWesday
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I know what it means, it's just not something people say
Oh, I definitely agree that that scenario is a little overboard.
But it's hard to figure out where to draw the line in the sand, because there's so many different scenarios that you can't give a black and white answer. Having alts used to be against the rules iirc, and while I don't see ATA realistically being able to return to that limitation and being able to enforce it, I would definitely love a return to that (or at least a more concrete limitation, like only 3 accounts, because the current restriction is quite vague). Still, though, I think the 70mcs guy in your scenario wouldn't be as threatening on his noob alt hitting noobs if the noobs had learned a bit more about PvP in their tutorial, and had a decent mentor that can teach them to at least hide their cash to minimize the damage. The bigger players would have to take their fishing pole to a different pond if the fish aren't taking the bait... and might need to eventually learn a more strategic way to get misc. Because there's nothing strategic or dignified about picking the easiest targets. Why collect all that misc if you aren't going to hit people your own size?
WaterSprite
Member
I don't view rpers as scum, I don't view cat eaters as scum, I don't view farmers as scum, I don't view anyone who chooses to play the game and RESPECTS OTHERS as scum, I DO VIEW players who shame others for how they play as scum. They are missing the point, whether you're a farm fairy, cat eater, party fairy, rp junkie or some mix of it.... disrespecting others and telling them what aspects they are allowed to have dignity for..... is fūcking scummy dude.