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How many is the max misc for low mcs ?
PVP Changes: Misc Rebalance, Matchmaking, and Peace Tags
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Mermaidtail
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[ATA]Strange said:
UPDATE
The formula originally in this post is incorrect. It has now been updated to:
Max misc = 2x Dormmate stats + 4x Tutor stats + 4x RS bonus
Original Post
Hi PIMDfriends!
I'm here to talk about something that some of you have waited for for a very long time.
The wait is over. It's popping off today.
Some of you might be totally bored by this. I don't know, I'm excited, personally - but you do you.
Q. Why are we rebalancing Misc?
A. Misc is far too strong in PIMD.
It can't be stripped like tutors. It can't be worn down like dormies. It isn't limited like pets and furniture.
Worst of all, it wasn't considered at all when calculating hit ranges and matchmaking - meaning that a 100MCS account with 0 misc was considered equally matched with a 100MCS account that had 1BCS of misc. Late last year we fixed this last point, but only up to a cap, at which point it stopped counting toward your "matchmaking rating" - or MMR.
Today that has changed.
The Changes
In PVP, Misc stats are now capped by the following formula:
Max misc = 2x Dormmate stats + 4x Tutor stats + 4x RS bonus
Pencils out, everyone. It's math time.
Example
Suppose you have:
- 3B Strength and 6B Intelligence in dormies
- 5B Strength and 1B intelligence in tutors
- No RS
Your misc cap for strength is (3B*2)+(5B*4) = 26B
Your misc cap for intelligence is (6b*2)+(1B*4)=16B
Let's say you gather up misc with 20B strength and 20B int. During PVP, your actual misc would be 20B strength and 16B int. You would not benefit from the additional 4B int.
Q. How does this change DTW/DTS?
The old cap on misc's contribution to matchmaking rating has been removed. Misc now is fully factored into DTW, DTS, and your Meet People list.
So in the example above, you also wouldn't be penalized for the additional 4B in matchmaking - it wouldn't count toward your DTW/DTS.
Q. Wait, which stats affect the cap?
What most people call "raw stats" rather than the common usage of "CS" that most PIMDizens use - if y'all didn't know, your stats given to pupil - what most people call your CS - are equal to 2% of your dormmate stats.
That's these stats, not the ones next to your avatar
Percent stats don't raise the misc cap either. Just dormmate and tutor stats.
Q. Did I get nerfed?
A. The vast majority of players will not get any reduction in power from this change. This will affect people who grew only in misc while ignoring (or evicting) their dormies - often with the specific intent of manipulating the combat system.
Of course, we expect some backlash from this from those players, but we believe this is necessary to fix misc being overpowered, and make other avenues of growth relevant again.
Bring on the feedback!
*Players can still trade their misc to others who haven't hit their cap, so we don't think any misc will really be going to waste.
Q. What should we expect after this change?
A. We hope that...
- Players will be matched with more appropriate potential opponents when searching "Meet People"
- DTW/DTS will more accurately determine what is fair
- Players will have more choices for growth, outside of just "stack misc"
- Well-rounded players will be rewarded rather than players just focusing on one aspect of the game
- Furniture, Pets, Avatars, Dormies, and tutors become relevant in PVP
- Players who were abusing misc to grief people (because it didn't factor into MMR) won't be able to do it anymore
- Players should be able to use tactics to get past misc - like stripping tutors
We still want misc to be valuable.
We hope that...
- Players will still get value out of the misc they have
- Misc will still be an important and worthwhile thing to spend time on
- Players will still desire more misc as they naturally grow
This has been our solution to try to meet those goals.
If you like PVP, get PVPin'. If you don't, take some joy in the fact that the game just got a little more fair.
While this makes the game more fair, it also makes hiring someone's tutors away ("stripping" them) more powerful, and thus it makes some people a lot more vulnerable. To counteract this, we are testing a new item out.
Peace Tags
Okay, So... have you ever wanted someone to Just. Stop. Hitting you?
Well, now you can combine this.. (found on spinner)
with this.. (50 cash)
to get 8 hours of this!
For 8 hours, you can't be dunked on.
That's right, PIMDFriends - it's a hard truce. Pop one of these babies and until the effect runs out, you can't be attacked, danceoffed, pranked, or eavesdropped.
They come in 3 sizes: 8 hours, 1 day, and 3 days.
The Price of Peace
Peace isn't a one-way thing though, y'all. If you attempt to attack, danceoff, prank, or eavesdrop someone else while you have a Peace Tag active, the hit will fail and you'll be warned. If you try again within 60 seconds, your peace will break and the hit will continue.
Furthermore, ANY hit you make to another player will flag you as ineligible for peace for 15 minutes.
Currently, the chance of getting a peace tag from the spinner is about half a percent.
None of this affects parties in any way.
We realize this is a big change, so we'd like to treat it as a temporary test. For now, to limit how many enter the system, these will not be in the store - only on the spinner. We will probably give some out as rewards as things progress. Your feedback, as always, is crucial for us figuring out whether peace becomes a permanent part of the game or not, and how we continue to balance Misc stat items.
Strange out
GodTierOni
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A session can be referring to parties tooMuschi said:
Well. A lot of people complain. Mostly are the farmers and the ones who totally focused on their miscs. I think the peace tags are good.
Can someone explain to me how this works?
I have an almost 11mcs dorm
I have 400mcs misc
My cap is 48/47
I’m only 800kcs, when I look In the “meet people” I see 3mcs players only. When I try to hit, I fail. well no duh they’re bigger right ? But then again how is a 11mcs account able to hit me ?
Makes no sense ??
PS this is not me crying just sharing how stupid ATA killed the game with this.
I have an almost 11mcs dorm
I have 400mcs misc
My cap is 48/47
I’m only 800kcs, when I look In the “meet people” I see 3mcs players only. When I try to hit, I fail. well no duh they’re bigger right ? But then again how is a 11mcs account able to hit me ?
Makes no sense ??
PS this is not me crying just sharing how stupid ATA killed the game with this.
11mcs miscSmoked said:
411mcs miscSmoked said:
Avatar? Total misc% bonus?Smoked said:
11mcs miscSmoked said:
411mcs miscSmoked said:
Avatar? Total misc% bonus?Smoked said:
Smoked said:
Okay so maybe add some more info. What was the build of your 3mcs opponent if you failed, you mighta been doing the wrong action. Also did you hit from a full bar? How many hits did you try?
1 failed hit on one person is a small sample size.
Someone informed me that a.t.a don't actually calculate hit ranges as a flat 5x multiplier/divisor, but rather they approximate how peoples' dorms should look if they upgrade 'normally' at those stats.Smoked said:
This means roughly that if you rush upgrading and insert massive dormies. Like the top tier ones, you might be matched with players who are much larger than you who have more diverse and smaller individual dormies.
So the matchmaking stuff is flawed in a sense but it also promotes a smooth and easy progression. Cc noobs, dvp buyers, etc. Will all be matched with harder opponents who can better keep them held down.
Smoked said:
That isn't related to this thread and isn't in any way related to the misc rebalancing...
Unless their math for determining hit ranges is even more spaghetti than the spaghetti I was just struggling to summarize.
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