Maddi_Matsu
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Betsy Devos cutting the funds for multiple education programs does not help either.
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SIR you are just mad that you are only landed one hit out of 10 when you couldn’t use your words any longer.MrPoopersPenguin said:Maddi_Matsu said:You know, SIR, implying that we cannot read or write is THE same thing as calling us stupid. I AM [j]ust saying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I fixed it for you.
Maddi_Matsu said:Betsy Devos cutting the funds for multiple education programs does not help either.
Maddi_Matsu said:SIR you are just mad that you are only landed one hit out of 10 when you couldn’t use your words any longer.MrPoopersPenguin said:Maddi_Matsu said:You know, SIR, implying that we cannot read or write is THE same thing as calling us stupid. I AM [j]ust saying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I fixed it for you.
Maddi_Matsu said:What is the point of arguing oh no sorry SpArInG with someone who fail hits for fun?
Muschi said:Next Week On "I Don't Read Theory"Gandalf said:That's interesting. Socialist, but not a communist.Muschi said:okay but marxism-leninism is still different from just marxism. ? and stalinism is diffferent from marxism-leninism. that's why they're called differently. i'm sure there are many precautions to take to ensure corruption and greed does not overtake. but yeah i personally don't like communism regardless. i'm a socialist
But, don't you think if there is socialism, like the state owns absolutely everything, it will eventually lead to communism? Isn't that what's Marx's theory all about?
MrPoopersPenguin said:Muschi said:okay but marxism-leninism is still different from just marxism. ? and stalinism is diffferent from marxism-leninism. that's why they're called differently. i'm sure there are many precautions to take to ensure corruption and greed does not overtake. but yeah i personally don't like communism regardless. i'm a socialistMrPoopersPenguin said:Also, as someone with historical training with an over-emphasis on Russian and Soviet history, Stalinism was an inevitable result of Marxism-Leninism as implemented in the Soviet Union after the fall of the Provisional Government.
Not talking about Communism’s pros and cons. Not defending Capitalism. Simply stating an historical fact.
If you disagree, fine. However, you are wrong.
Firstly, I never said anything about pure Marxism. I referred to Marxism-Leninism. Secondly, Stalinism was the inevitable outgrowth of Marxism-Leninism. They are not the same, just as a parent is not the same as his child.
Gandalf said:Makes no sense, but apparently the german leader from ww2 is censored here in forum ?
O yeah i don't like that assumption either tbh.kisi said:Wednesday said:Automatically think what about poc? Or do u just not like the termkisi said:I hate conservatives ? I also hate how people automatically think POC
Oh the other portion didn’t post , but that POC & Latin Americans are liberal
MrPoopersPenguin said:@Gandalf
Firstly, I have read Animal Farm. Although Lenin did not intend for the horrors of Stalinism to occur, the Soviet System, as set up by the Bolsheviks, would have inevitably lead to Stalin or someone just like him. I even initially noted that this was not a statement concerning the pros and cons of Communism; it is a statement referring specifically to the Soviet state and the variant of Marxism held by its founders. Also, Animal Farm is not entirely accurate in its portrayal of the early Soviet period. If you want to know what actually happened, look at primary sources and the works of historians trained in Russian and Soviet history.
Secondly, Fascism adopts certain elements of Socialism. However, it is a collective socialism (that is why in Germany it was called National Socialism) rather than the traditional individual socialism. Fascism’s preferred economic system, corporatism, is derived from certain aspects of socialism. ******* ******** was a socialist, but he was not the typical type of socialist. Just as Stalin was a communist, but he was not the typical type of communist. All ideologies have their fringes, crazy people, and evil people.
i never claimed you said anything about marxism because i was talking about marxism vs stalinism and you started bringing up marxism-leninism. and i didn't refute your point about stalinism growing out of marxism-leninism, just said they are not the same thing. you're here in this thread throwing a tantrum over people not having reading comprehension, but it seems like you can't practice what you preach either.MrPoopersPenguin said:Firstly, I never said anything about pure Marxism. I referred to Marxism-Leninism. Secondly, Stalinism was the inevitable outgrowth of Marxism-Leninism. They are not the same, just as a parent is not the same as his child.Muschi said:okay but marxism-leninism is still different from just marxism. ? and stalinism is diffferent from marxism-leninism. that's why they're called differently. i'm sure there are many precautions to take to ensure corruption and greed does not overtake. but yeah i personally don't like communism regardless. i'm a socialistMrPoopersPenguin said:Also, as someone with historical training with an over-emphasis on Russian and Soviet history, Stalinism was an inevitable result of Marxism-Leninism as implemented in the Soviet Union after the fall of the Provisional Government.
Not talking about Communism’s pros and cons. Not defending Capitalism. Simply stating an historical fact.
If you disagree, fine. However, you are wrong.
you need to actually read the theory before you can start critiquing the application. you clearly haven't read any theory because you're being blatantly incorrect, and yet think you are in proper knowledge to start critiquing the application of what was theorized. i was just pointing out that what you were saying was something that you obviously either pulled out of your ass or were echoing the rhetoric of someone who had done the same.Gandalf said:I thought theory without application is dumb and application without theory is blind.. ?
MrPoopersPenguin said:Maddi_Matsu said:Betsy Devos cutting the funds for multiple education programs does not help either.
The money was not going to be used productively anyway. If the money was only going to go toward producing mediocre students, it is better not to spend the money.
Government-ran education has failed in the United States. It needs to be replaced by a more traditional system.
(I will give a nice gift to the person who figures out my political ideology. However, he must be spot on.)
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Muschi said:you need to actually read the theory before you can start critiquing the application. you clearly haven't read any theory because you're being blatantly incorrect, and yet think you are in proper knowledge to start critiquing the application of what was theorized. i was just pointing out that what you were saying was something that you obviously either pulled out of your ass or were echoing the rhetoric of someone who had done the same.Gandalf said:I thought theory without application is dumb and application without theory is blind.. ?