[ATA]Strange said:Hi PIMDfriends!
I'm here to talk about something that some of you have waited for for a very long time.
The wait is over. It's popping off today.
Some of you might be totally bored by this. I don't know, I'm excited, personally - but you do you.
Q. Why are we rebalancing Misc?
A. Misc is far too strong in PIMD.
It can't be stripped like tutors. It can't be worn down like dormies. It isn't limited like pets and furniture.
Worst of all, it wasn't considered at all when calculating hit ranges and matchmaking - meaning that a 100MCS account with 0 misc was considered equally matched with a 100MCS account that had 1BCS of misc. Late last year we fixed this last point, but only up to a cap, at which point it stopped counting toward your "matchmaking rating" - or MMR.
Today that has changed.
The Changes
In PVP, Misc stats are now capped by the following formula:
Max misc = 2x Dormmate stats + 4x Tutor stats
Pencils out, everyone. It's math time.
Example
Suppose you have:
- 3B Strength and 6B Intelligence in dormies
- 5B Strength and 1B intelligence in tutors
Your misc cap for strength is (3B*2)+(5B*4) = 26B
Your misc cap for intelligence is (6b*2)+(1B*4)=16B
Let's say you gather up misc with 20B strength and 20B int. During PVP, your actual misc would be 20B strength and 16B int. You would not benefit from the additional 4B int.
Q. How does this change DTW/DTS?
The old cap on misc's contribution to matchmaking rating has been removed. Misc now is fully factored into DTW, DTS, and your Meet People list.
So in the example above, you also wouldn't be penalized for the additional 4B in matchmaking - it wouldn't count toward your DTW/DTS.
Q. Wait, which stats affect the cap?
What most people call "profile stats" rather than the common usage of "CS" that most PIMDizens use - if y'all didn't know, your stats given to pupil - what most people call your CS - are equal to 2% of your dormmate stats.
Percent stats don't raise the misc cap either. Just dormmate and tutor stats.
Q. Did I get nerfed?
A. The vast majority of players will not get any reduction in power from this change. This will affect people who grew only in misc while ignoring (or evicting) their dormies - often with the specific intent of manipulating the combat system.
Of course, we expect some backlash from this from those players, but we believe this is necessary to fix misc being overpowered, and make other avenues of growth relevant again.
Bring on the feedback!
*Players can still trade their misc to others who haven't hit their cap, so we don't think any misc will really be going to waste.
Q. What should we expect after this change?
A. We hope that...
- Players will be matched with more appropriate potential opponents when searching "Meet People"
- DTW/DTS will more accurately determine what is fair
- Players will have more choices for growth, outside of just "stack misc"
- Well-rounded players will be rewarded rather than players just focusing on one aspect of the game
- Furniture, Pets, Avatars, Dormies, and tutors become relevant in PVP
- Players who were abusing misc to grief people (because it didn't factor into MMR) won't be able to do it anymore
- Players should be able to use tactics to get past misc - like stripping tutors
We still want misc to be valuable.
We hope that...
- Players will still get value out of the misc they have
- Misc will still be an important and worthwhile thing to spend time on
- Players will still desire more misc as they naturally grow
This has been our solution to try to meet those goals.
If you like PVP, get PVPin'. If you don't, take some joy in the fact that the game just got a little more fair.
While this makes the game more fair, it also makes hiring someone's tutors away ("stripping" them) more powerful, and thus it makes some people a lot more vulnerable. To counteract this, we are testing a new item out.
Peace Tags
Okay, So... have you ever wanted someone to Just. Stop. Hitting you?
Well, now you can combine this.. (found on spinner)
with this.. (50 cash)
to get 8 hours of this!
For 8 hours, you can't be dunked on.
That's right, PIMDFriends - it's a hard truce. Pop one of these babies and until the effect runs out, you can't be attacked, danceoffed, pranked, or eavesdropped.
They come in 3 sizes: 8 hours, 1 day, and 3 days.
The Price of Peace
Peace isn't a one-way thing though, y'all. If you attempt to attack, danceoff, prank, or eavesdrop someone else while you have a Peace Tag active, the hit will fail and you'll be warned. If you try again within 60 seconds, your peace will break and the hit will continue.
Furthermore, ANY hit you make to another player will flag you as ineligible for peace for 15 minutes.
None of this affects parties in any way.
We realize this is a big change, so we'd like to treat it as a temporary test. For now, to limit how many enter the system, these will not be in the store - only on the spinner. We will probably give some out as rewards as things progress. Your feedback, as always, is crucial for us figuring out whether peace becomes a permanent part of the game or not, and how we continue to balance Misc stat items.
Strange out
PVP Changes: Misc Rebalance, Matchmaking, and Peace Tags
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Maddi_Matsu
Well-Known Member
I like the peace thing, are the tags by any chance gift-able?
Chloe_A_Country_Gal
Member
I like the misc. Idea A lot, think it will be fair.
Now for the pease thing, I'm iffy on that. I rarely farm but when I do, I don't want them hiding behind a tag. Will it be nice for me yeah lol but that's hypocritical so I mean. Kinda iffy on it all
Now for the pease thing, I'm iffy on that. I rarely farm but when I do, I don't want them hiding behind a tag. Will it be nice for me yeah lol but that's hypocritical so I mean. Kinda iffy on it all
ThunderThighs
New Member
While I think its good they work on anti bullying I dont see how this changes anything.. Huge players will start stripping all small and medium players of thier tuts so their mcs cap is higher! Which will make a huge deal to innocent people who have their friends as tuts they will all now be owned by top players who have trillions of cash ??? Just so their misc cap is higher? Thats what I dont like
ToxicSlaylei
New Member
It’s going to be a no support for me.
Misc cap eh okay.
As someone who plays this game mainly for PVP, Peace tags are going to ruin strip farming.
Misc cap eh okay.
As someone who plays this game mainly for PVP, Peace tags are going to ruin strip farming.
CherrySoda
Well-Known Member
It’s funny, I didn’t hear players asking for trash but here it is.
let’s hope those drop regularly from the spinner.JudgeCrybaby
Member
RtCinnabun said:
Make it so you can't party while on peace pass
Or
Make peace pass cost 1ec or 1000 pimd bucks, last for 1 hour of protection, usages capped to 1 per 24 hours.
Or
Remove Peace Pass
Or
Have Peace Pass cost a considerable amount of PIMDbucks... People are using them to protect their pimd buckeroonies, they may be able to spend a portion of it to keep their nest egg safe... Like maybe 500b for 5 hours.
Or
Remove it because that's easiest and we might accept an apology.
Or
Make peace pass cost 1ec or 1000 pimd bucks, last for 1 hour of protection, usages capped to 1 per 24 hours.
Or
Remove Peace Pass
Or
Have Peace Pass cost a considerable amount of PIMDbucks... People are using them to protect their pimd buckeroonies, they may be able to spend a portion of it to keep their nest egg safe... Like maybe 500b for 5 hours.
Or
Remove it because that's easiest and we might accept an apology.
big-feet-energy
New Member
If anyone has some spare misc they no longer need.... ?
Tom_Riddle
Active Member
Shouldn’t it be something like x1.5 in dormmates, x2 in tutors?
Tutors are still really easy to get and most leaderboard have a lot of cs in them - while (as you know) the cs of dormmates is technically capped now.
It’s harder to get the cs of tutors but the unlimited potential means those that have billions of cs in them get a lot of cs in misc.
Tutors are still really easy to get and most leaderboard have a lot of cs in them - while (as you know) the cs of dormmates is technically capped now.
It’s harder to get the cs of tutors but the unlimited potential means those that have billions of cs in them get a lot of cs in misc.
renamed41832
Member
Luci__fer said:
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Tom_Riddle
Active Member
A very much needed nerf, and props to the ATA team to finally standing up to the unlimited misc amounts.
Good job in finally addressing the issue.
Good job in finally addressing the issue.
-_A_-uspicious said:
This explains the sitch and potential negatives better than anything!
Rebalance: Support. Too many big egos who buy misc on 3rd party apps for rl $$ to exploit the system and throw their weight around ingame. We all know it's a thing. #powertrip
Peace: Hmmm. Nah. Maybe. I don't know... I'd have to see it in action. I reckon if it's a really rare drop, then maybe. Or if it cost a bunch of ec's to buy and ingame cash to open - like, an exuberant amount. Serious farmers aren't going to use it if they can't hit other farms while activated I suppose. But the alt loophole could be a problem. Eh... I guess we'll see.
Tut bonus is written on your profile.Courtesan said:
It could be a lower cap, but it ain't that high as it is. Mainly prevents titans and real world currency traders from abusing the game, and also from people sending items to smol alts to demolish smaller players.
They can still have a significant advantage in that final area, and in all other areas because of misc... But it will be fairer in most cases.