Epistemologia
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Muschi said:
Great quote. I want to read the book of George Weinberg where that quote is from. Title, please.
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((Opinions)) Homophobia or nah?
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Great quote. I want to read the book of George Weinberg where that quote is from. Title, please.
Epistemologia
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-PA_KingPervert- said:I grew up around religion however I don’t believe in it and i never will.God to me is just something people tempt to look for some kind of relief, hope or love.
Dressing your kids in opposite genders is your decision whatever you feel comfortable doing. Some parents will agree and disagree as usual.
This actions will lead to the kids growing up wanting to be part of the lgbt community. This is something you lead them too. I know this isn’t what was asked but just putting it out there.
When it comes to your kids asking if they can wear it? to me, that’s already a failure of parent I’ve become because they shouldn’t have to ask me. They should already know they’re welcome to wear whatever they want regardless of what the public will say. The public is never satisfied and is constantly talking about someone’s appearance. they should know I’ll love em with all my heart and fight for them on whatever path they lead on.
With this said, I’m that type of parent that anything flows and I’m okay with it, as long as respect is being enforced. I do have morals and my kids will have them too, regardless of what their friends decide to do.
I like your approach and views.
Religion, in fact, can be quite the opposite to mentioned for us, LGBT people. Makes you feel like being yourself is a sin and feel a lot of fear and guilt. Anything, but consolation or love. Therefore I became agnostic. I can't go fully atheist, though. The influence of religion is strong.
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xXNinaXx said:I don't think this is homophobic. He outwardly says he would accept him being gay and would still love him. Therefore, I'm assuming that there would be no prejudice or disdain for him *because* he is Gay. Sure, his religious and spiritual beliefs call that his son is going to hell and he believes that, yet the fact that he accepts him and is not going to discriminate him counters the concept of homophobia.
An example could be most Christians believe anyone who does not believe in jesus is going to hell. That doesnt mean Christians have a phobia towards jews,muslims, Hindus, etc simply because there was no discrimination or aversion towards them. If that is the case, literally every religion and/or belief has a phobia for the other.
Well, not EVERY Christian or any religious people has phobia towards other religions people, but SOME certainly do, and a strong one. Same applies to religion and homophobia. Some friends of multicultural, multiregious countries had told me about issues of this sort between different religion fanatics.
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Muschi said:I disagree with the "accepting" part. He says he would accept the child, but he also contradicts that in other things he says ー i.e., saying that he would fail as a parent for having a gay child. That is not accepting. Just because he won't be blatantly homophobic towards the child does not mean he is fully accepting. Believing a gay child is a symbol of failure is not acceptance.xXNinaXx said:I don't think this is homophobic. He outwardly says he would accept him being gay and would still love him. Therefore, I'm assuming that there would be no prejudice or disdain for him *because* he is Gay. Sure, his religious and spiritual beliefs call that his son is going to hell and he believes that, yet the fact that he accepts him and is not going to discriminate him counters the concept of homophobia.
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ObeyPapi69 said:Phobia is a fear, not disagreeing with a lifestyle, sexuality, gender, age or height or whatever it may be.
A phobia isn’t strictly a fear. A phobia is much more complex than being scared of something.
hence why what the dude in OP story said is homophobic
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You lost me at “My friend asked me a question”
Disagreeing with homosexuality as in “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., but I accept how you are” is very different from “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., and you’re damned because of that, I don’t support or accept you”Ryuel said:The definition of phobia is more complex than a fear. Why some homosexual people say that someone who disagree with homosexuality is a homophopic? I don't understand...
One is homophobic, one isn’t though it’s still ridiculous imo
Warmth said:Disagreeing with homosexuality as in “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., but I accept how you are” is very different from “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., and you’re damned because of that, I don’t support or accept you”Ryuel said:The definition of phobia is more complex than a fear. Why some homosexual people say that someone who disagree with homosexuality is a homophopic? I don't understand...
One is homophobic, one isn’t though it’s still ridiculous imo
Well yes obviously they're different. One says "I'll accept you" and the other "I dont accept you" lol.
Just because you dont support it doesnt make you a homophobe.
???? I’m not talking about actively supporting something. Actual acceptance and active support are different things, my dude.-SupremeLeader-KimJongUn- said:Warmth said:Disagreeing with homosexuality as in “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., but I accept how you are” is very different from “it doesn’t align with my faith/etc., and you’re damned because of that, I don’t support or accept you”Ryuel said:The definition of phobia is more complex than a fear. Why some homosexual people say that someone who disagree with homosexuality is a homophopic? I don't understand...
One is homophobic, one isn’t though it’s still ridiculous imo
Well yes obviously they're different. One says "I'll accept you" and the other "I dont accept you" lol.
Just because you dont support it doesnt make you a homophobe.
Warmth said:ObeyPapi69 said:Phobia is a fear, not disagreeing with a lifestyle, sexuality, gender, age or height or whatever it may be.
A phobia isn’t strictly a fear. A phobia is much more complex than being scared of something.
hence why what the dude in OP story said is homophobic
You don't have to accept it or support it, but you should respect everyone regardless. When I see my gay relatives, I treat them the same as my other relatives. I don't support it or accept it. It's not my life. I respect them and their decision regardless.
Phobia- "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."
Aversion- "a strong dislike or disinclination"
Disinclunination- "a reluctance or lack of enthusiasm."
I think many of you think homophobia is the lack of enthusiasm many people have towards LGBTQ, when that's like saying... "they're homophobic because they aren't smiling about us being gay."
Homophobia is "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." Key words there are "dislike of" not dislike. You can dislike it, but the dislike of them as a whole is homophobic. I hope you understand that.
Homophobic- "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." Again, "dislike of" not "dislike."
It all comes down to sensitivity in this case.
Again, we should all respect each other regardless of our preferences,beliefs, race, choices, height, age, religion, etc.
^ respect comes with general acceptance due to the fact that actual respect comes with a form of /positive/ regard.
And there’s.. not a difference in “dislike” and “dislike of”... Me saying “I have a dislike of the color gold” is the same as “I dislike the color gold”. That “of” simply connects dislike to what you’re speaking about.
As I said, you don’t have to actively support homosexuality. You don’t have to smile at someone because they’re gay. However, if you’re ignoring and/or scowl at someone purely because they’re gay.. that is homophobic. Idc if you ignore someone because maybe they do tend to be more ostentatious and they choose to connect that to their sexuality, that’s fine! That’s a personality thing. However, when it becomes a sexuality thing, that’s when it becomes that phobia.
If you don’t want to be homophobic, you simply need to see the person for themselves and accept that their sexuality is a natural, unchanging thing. It is not something like a failure, nor something that is a personality trait you can decide you dislike. The guy in OP story does not see that, so while he doesn’t seem like a bad dude, it is homophobic for him to connect homosexuality with failure and damnation.
And there’s.. not a difference in “dislike” and “dislike of”... Me saying “I have a dislike of the color gold” is the same as “I dislike the color gold”. That “of” simply connects dislike to what you’re speaking about.
As I said, you don’t have to actively support homosexuality. You don’t have to smile at someone because they’re gay. However, if you’re ignoring and/or scowl at someone purely because they’re gay.. that is homophobic. Idc if you ignore someone because maybe they do tend to be more ostentatious and they choose to connect that to their sexuality, that’s fine! That’s a personality thing. However, when it becomes a sexuality thing, that’s when it becomes that phobia.
If you don’t want to be homophobic, you simply need to see the person for themselves and accept that their sexuality is a natural, unchanging thing. It is not something like a failure, nor something that is a personality trait you can decide you dislike. The guy in OP story does not see that, so while he doesn’t seem like a bad dude, it is homophobic for him to connect homosexuality with failure and damnation.
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My question is how can he use religious belief in his god as a reason for his fear if he is saying "what if go is real?" I mean, can you really say something is wrong based on your god if you question that god's existence? Kinda pokes holes in his whole excuse.
I don’t believe that should be classified as “homophobic.” Due to his religious beliefs I understand where he is coming from when he says he would be worried about them. However, the difference between him and your typical “I hate gays because the bible condemns it” religious folks is that he is willing to ACCEPT his children.
Imagine being raised in a super religious environment. Everything you have ever been taught tells you that you should hate your child for not being straight, but you choose to love them instead. Love trumps hate is the way I see it. Little progress is way better than none at all.
Imagine being raised in a super religious environment. Everything you have ever been taught tells you that you should hate your child for not being straight, but you choose to love them instead. Love trumps hate is the way I see it. Little progress is way better than none at all.
xXNinaXx said:I don't think this is homophobic. He outwardly says he would accept him being gay and would still love him. Therefore, I'm assuming that there would be no prejudice or disdain for him *because* he is Gay. Sure, his religious and spiritual beliefs call that his son is going to hell and he believes that, yet the fact that he accepts him and is not going to discriminate him counters the concept of homophobia.
An example could be most Christians believe anyone who does not believe in jesus is going to hell. That doesnt mean Christians have a phobia towards jews,muslims, Hindus, etc simply because there was no discrimination or aversion towards them. If that is the case, literally every religion and/or belief has a phobia for the other.
"Society and the Healthy Homosexual"Quimey said:Great quote. I want to read the book of George Weinberg where that quote is from. Title, please.Muschi said:1. Clothing should have no gender. There shouldn't be such thing as "opposite gender's clothing". All clothing should be considered gender neutral.
2. Yes, it's homophobic. The -phobia suffix in relation to the word homophobia does relate to a fear ー albeit subconscious. George Weinberg described it best, in my opinion: "[A] phobia about homosexuals.... It was a fear of homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one fought for — home and family. It was a religious fear and it had led to great brutality as fear always does." The hypothetical child's sexuality is making him fearful because the man is afraid of damnation by his religious figure. He has associated being gay with dancing with the Devil.
You don't have to accept homosexual people not to be homophobic... this isn't kindergarten where we all have to like each other. That's one of the problems. People want to call each other words to harm their reputation just because they aren't accepted or liked. It's childish. I could understand if he was hateful or fearful towards homosexuality, but that's not the case.
Example, I'm don't like white women. It's never stopped me from doing anything sexual or normal with them though. It doesn't mean I'm racist or have some sort of phobia. It's all about how sensitive the person is.
Example, I'm don't like white women. It's never stopped me from doing anything sexual or normal with them though. It doesn't mean I'm racist or have some sort of phobia. It's all about how sensitive the person is.
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