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Gandalf said:
Muschi said:
Gandalf said:
I thought theory without application is dumb and application without theory is blind.. ?
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you need to actually read the theory before you can start critiquing the application. you clearly haven't read any theory because you're being blatantly incorrect, and yet think you are in proper knowledge to start critiquing the application of what was theorized. i was just pointing out that what you were saying was something that you obviously either pulled out of your ass or were echoing the rhetoric of someone who had done the same.
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Err..why so triggered? Everyone has their own opinions, I have mine too. But I've never claimed all my opinion is correct, because, statistically that's impossible. Nobody can be right in everything.
I am open minded enough to let you change my opinion on something, if you can prove me wrong categorically. Just stating that I am wrong, and using personal attacks, doesn't quite cut it, i guess...but, then again, people have their own opinion. Maybe in your opinion this is the best way of having a constructive debate ?
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i'm not triggered lol.

and i'm saying you are incorrect because you tried to quote karl marx and did so incorrectly. you weren't giving an opinion. you were putting words in someone else's mouth:
Gandalf said:
That's interesting. Socialist, but not a communist.
But, don't you think if there is socialism, like the state owns absolutely everything, it will eventually lead to communism? Isn't that what's Marx's theory all about?
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i recommend you read marx's books on communism to educate yourself and then get back to me. that's all i can say. ?‍♀️
 
Which part did i say wrong exactly? Because, as far as i've understood social change and historical materialism, that's how economies evolve, don't they? ?
 
Gandalf said:
Which part did i say wrong exactly? Because, as far as i've understood social change and historical materialism, that's how economies evolve, don't they? ?
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me: hey please read theory and educate yourself!
you: *continues to badger me to try to get me to educate you*

if you want to learn, your best avenue would be via the source theories instead of my explanations. i gave you the recommendation to begin with marx's works to learn about marxist-communism.
 
Muschi said:
Gandalf said:
Which part did i say wrong exactly? Because, as far as i've understood social change and historical materialism, that's how economies evolve, don't they? ?
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me: hey please read theory and educate yourself!
you: *continues to badger me to try to get me to educate you*

if you want to learn, your best avenue would be via the source theories instead of my explanations. i gave you the recommendation to begin with marx's works to learn about marxist-communism.
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And there lies the problem. I have read both marx and engels' works. Heck, i've even read marx's poems ? and based on what i have understood from his theories, i see no wrong in my comments. And since you are unwilling to state your disagreement clearly, i guess i should stop 'badgering' you and agree to disagree ?
Have an enlightened life ️
 
Gandalf said:
And there lies the problem. I have read both marx and engels' works. Heck, i've even read marx's poems ? and based on what i have understood from his theories, i see no wrong in my comments. And since you are unwilling to state your disagreement clearly, i guess i should stop 'badgering' you and agree to disagree ?
Have an enlightened life ️
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and what socialist theories have you read? your 'claims' were mostly about socialism, not communism. i just offered communism as a starting ground since you mentioned marx. you seem to think socialism is just Communism Lite which is what i had originally said was an issue amongst Americans that i had encountered.
 
Muschi said:
Gandalf said:
And there lies the problem. I have read both marx and engels' works. Heck, i've even read marx's poems ? and based on what i have understood from his theories, i see no wrong in my comments. And since you are unwilling to state your disagreement clearly, i guess i should stop 'badgering' you and agree to disagree ?
Have an enlightened life ️
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and what socialist theories have you read? your 'claims' were mostly about socialism, not communism. i just offered communism as a starting ground since you mentioned marx. you seem to think socialism is just Communism Lite which is what i had originally said was an issue amongst Americans that i had encountered.
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I never said socialism is communism lite. That's absurd! By that logic, i might have also said capitalism is socialism lite and feudalism is capitalism lite! That's just hilarious! 

I just meant, those economic systems are stages of socio-economic evolution that is governed by class struggle and production systems. The concept of socialism was not even propounded by marx. Aristotle wrote about it in 400bce. Indian vedas from 1500 to 500 bce have conceptualised socialism and socialistic economic systems too.
 
Donald Trump's big balls move to let illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities , or whatever, is an absolutely A1 political move and I love it.
 
Kefo said:
Donald Trump's big balls move to let illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities , or whatever, is an absolutely A1 political move and I love it.
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I hate the idea of illegal aliens being admitted but the "oh shit" moment it must've given democratic leaders almost makes up for it
 
Wednesday said:
What exactly are sanctuary cities and why is this a snub towards democrats?
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Sanctuary cities are cities that are safe for illegal immigrants to stay in without fear of being randomly detained and deported. (Unless they do something against the law)
 
It's a snub on Democrats because they love to have the illegals voting in elections but they don't actually want to take care of them personally. Besides, 1 million more democratic votes in San Fransisco is worthless anyway because electoral college
 
Gandalf said:
Muschi said:
Gandalf said:
And there lies the problem. I have read both marx and engels' works. Heck, i've even read marx's poems ? and based on what i have understood from his theories, i see no wrong in my comments. And since you are unwilling to state your disagreement clearly, i guess i should stop 'badgering' you and agree to disagree ?
Have an enlightened life ️
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and what socialist theories have you read? your 'claims' were mostly about socialism, not communism. i just offered communism as a starting ground since you mentioned marx. you seem to think socialism is just Communism Lite which is what i had originally said was an issue amongst Americans that i had encountered.
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I never said socialism is communism lite. That's absurd! By that logic, i might have also said capitalism is socialism lite and feudalism is capitalism lite! That's just hilarious! 

I just meant, those economic systems are stages of socio-economic evolution that is governed by class struggle and production systems. The concept of socialism was not even propounded by marx. Aristotle wrote about it in 400bce. Indian vedas from 1500 to 500 bce have conceptualised socialism and socialistic economic systems too.
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You said it was strange I was a socialist but not a communist ? it certainly sounded to me like that's what you were inferring
 
Maddi_Matsu said:
Wednesday said:
What exactly are sanctuary cities and why is this a snub towards democrats?
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Sanctuary cities are cities that are safe for illegal immigrants to stay in without fear of being randomly detained and deported. (Unless they do something against the law)
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Nah, they can break the law too. Sanctuary cities refuse to hand criminals over to ICE. They just detain and release them.

Sanctuary Cities are cities that refuse to follow federal law but expect to receive federal funding. They're like spoiled kids
 
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