UPDATE PIMD's App Store Age Rating Update
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Yes, minors are already on PIMD. Obviously.
The point is that most clubs — if not practically all the clubs I’ve personally seen — are +18. So the minors who are already here are, in many cases, already getting around lying about their age.
And now there will probably be more of them. Possibly much younger ones too.
Once they realize that giving their real age means they can't access most of the social side of the game, do you honestly think none of them will simply lie about it?
Because that would be a little like believing in Fairytale, where a unicorn farts rainbows over tiny mushroom-shaped fairy houses and is also your best friend.
The one time I knew for certain that there was a minor in the same +18 club I was in, I was absolutely not okay with it. The admins had known and had kept it from the rest of us, so I left.
And that's exactly the issue I'm trying to point out.
Once someone lies about their age, they can interact with adults who have no reason to believe they're a minor.
They can join clubs. They can make friends. They can trade. They can join RP clubs.
(And speaking of RP clubs, here's a funny little personal story.
I come from D&D and various forums — yes, I'm old
— where we used to roleplay Harry Potter, LOTR, Shannara, etc. It wasn't sexual. You simply created a character and interacted with other characters in that universe.So when I discovered that PIMD had RP clubs, I was genuinely excited.
IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN I FOUND OUT THEY WERE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
)I'm not personally interested in those clubs, but if they're made up of consenting adults, then honestly, have fun. That's none of my business.
But if a 14-year-old joins one while lying about their age, what exactly is everyone else supposed to do?
Do all the adults in that club suddenly become pedophiles?
No. But, From an ethical and moral standpoint, how do you think they might feel if they discovered that they had a minor between them?
If a 14-year-old joins a regular club and an adult makes a flirty or suggestive joke because they genuinely believe they're talking to another adult, does that adult automatically become a pedophile?
Again, no.
But they have still been put into a situation they never knowingly agreed to.
And it doesn't even have to involve flirting or anything sexual.
Imagine adding someone because you want to do a trade. You start talking occasionally. You become friends. You exchange completely mundane messages:
"Hey, how are you?" "Good, you?" "Nice weather today." "Yeah."
Nothing weird. Nothing sexual. Nothing inappropriate.
Then you discover that they're 14.
And later they go around saying, "I used to talk to Dino almost every day."
Do you really think being associated with that situation would be pleasant?
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not saying that every minor is dangerous. I'm not saying every adult is secretly looking for minors. And I'm certainly not saying that an adult who unknowingly interacts with a minor is automatically a pedophile.
I'm saying that adults should be allowed to reasonably assume that the people they're interacting with are actually the age they claim to be.
Because otherwise, ordinary interactions suddenly carry a risk that most people never knowingly signed up for.
And if ATA previously estimated a 3% chance of encountering a minor in-game, then yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable for adults to be concerned that this number could increase after the rating change.
And no, sweetheart, this isn't about people randomly sending nudes.
(First of all, here's another little secret: you can't even send images through PIMD PMs.
)We're talking about normal people.
People who log into PIMD to joke around with their friends, relax, trade items, join clubs, meet people, or simply kill some time.
People who shouldn't suddenly have to wonder whether they can make a harmless joke, add someone for a trade, or become friends with another player without first wondering whether that person is actually an adult.
That's why people are concerned.
And finally, let's be very clear about one thing.
Since yours: "So just don't sext them or send them nudes?" sounds like it's something I usually do, in your opinion, let me tell you that you don't get to insinuate I am "easy" or a "pedophile" simply because you disagree with me.
I don't go around randomly adding people and behaving like a pervert. That's not what I do, and you have absolutely no basis for implying otherwise.
If you disagree with my argument, argue with my argument.
But leave personal insinuations about me out of it.
That's a much more reasonable conversation to have.
x_yeoubi_x
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Cool, I don't think calling friends "hot/hawt" was part of what made people uncomfortable
shit's highly contextual as language always has been. People shouldn't get silenced immediately for that kinda shit. Tone it down on the restrictions for adults. Like dayum. Y'all are off y'all's rocker with all these changes and lowering the age ratings + making the game available to kids whatsoever is sending the absolute wrong message. I don't think any of us gaf about how y'all try to justify it. It's just giving 
pedo friendly vibes. Insane behavior to try to justify it whatsoever whilst releasing sexualized avis non-stop-- mostly female avis at that.Dear ata your loyal long standing ADULT members are PISSED off about this change. Its been how many days now and yall havent done anything? You can keep the part where the age is checked but STOP pushing the game to minors. They should NOT be on this game AT ALL. ALOT of us are pissed off because we were that teen who lied and know how easy it is and the type.of people who interacted with us KNOWING full well about us. Not only are you putting minors at risk of the gross people that make there way in... but youre also putting your LOYAL ADULT players at risk. By all means put methods in place to get rid of kids... but do not push FALSE advertisements to them for a game that you cant even offer. You guys will lose many many players over this...
Don't forget guys you can report a game on the apstore for improper rating. And they most definitely have it rated wrong now even with the changes thwy made.
Don't forget guys you can report a game on the apstore for improper rating. And they most definitely have it rated wrong now even with the changes thwy made.
DinosAreTheOldestCars
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If people choose to flirt with someone they dont even know then its on them. Female avi doesnt always mean the player is a chick, make avi doesnt always mean the player is a guy. Does that mean they are suddenly lying now to?Yes, minors are already on PIMD. Obviously.
The point is that most clubs — if not practically all the clubs I’ve personally seen — are +18. So the minors who are already here are, in many cases, already getting around lying about their age.
And now there will probably be more of them. Possibly much younger ones too.
Once they realize that giving their real age means they can't access most of the social side of the game, do you honestly think none of them will simply lie about it?
Because that would be a little like believing in Fairytale, where a unicorn farts rainbows over tiny mushroom-shaped fairy houses and is also your best friend.
The one time I knew for certain that there was a minor in the same +18 club I was in, I was absolutely not okay with it. The admins had known and had kept it from the rest of us, so I left.
And that's exactly the issue I'm trying to point out.
Once someone lies about their age, they can interact with adults who have no reason to believe they're a minor.
They can join clubs. They can make friends. They can trade. They can join RP clubs.
(And speaking of RP clubs, here's a funny little personal story.
I come from D&D and various forums — yes, I'm old
So when I discovered that PIMD had RP clubs, I was genuinely excited.
IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN I FOUND OUT THEY WERE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I'm not personally interested in those clubs, but if they're made up of consenting adults, then honestly, have fun. That's none of my business.
But if a 14-year-old joins one while lying about their age, what exactly is everyone else supposed to do?
Do all the adults in that club suddenly become pedophiles?
No. But, From an ethical and moral standpoint, how do you think they might feel if they discovered that they had a minor between them?
If a 14-year-old joins a regular club and an adult makes a flirty or suggestive joke because they genuinely believe they're talking to another adult, does that adult automatically become a pedophile?
Again, no.
But they have still been put into a situation they never knowingly agreed to.
And it doesn't even have to involve flirting or anything sexual.
Imagine adding someone because you want to do a trade. You start talking occasionally. You become friends. You exchange completely mundane messages:
"Hey, how are you?" "Good, you?" "Nice weather today." "Yeah."
Nothing weird. Nothing sexual. Nothing inappropriate.
Then you discover that they're 14.
And later they go around saying, "I used to talk to Dino almost every day."
Do you really think being associated with that situation would be pleasant?
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not saying that every minor is dangerous. I'm not saying every adult is secretly looking for minors. And I'm certainly not saying that an adult who unknowingly interacts with a minor is automatically a pedophile.
I'm saying that adults should be allowed to reasonably assume that the people they're interacting with are actually the age they claim to be.
Because otherwise, ordinary interactions suddenly carry a risk that most people never knowingly signed up for.
And if ATA previously estimated a 3% chance of encountering a minor in-game, then yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable for adults to be concerned that this number could increase after the rating change.
And no, sweetheart, this isn't about people randomly sending nudes.
(First of all, here's another little secret: you can't even send images through PIMD PMs.
We're talking about normal people.
People who log into PIMD to joke around with their friends, relax, trade items, join clubs, meet people, or simply kill some time.
People who shouldn't suddenly have to wonder whether they can make a harmless joke, add someone for a trade, or become friends with another player without first wondering whether that person is actually an adult.
That's why people are concerned.
And finally, let's be very clear about one thing.
Since yours: "So just don't sext them or send them nudes?" sounds like it's something I usually do, in your opinion, let me tell you that you don't get to insinuate I am "easy" or a "pedophile" simply because you disagree with me.
I don't go around randomly adding people and behaving like a pervert. That's not what I do, and you have absolutely no basis for implying otherwise.
If you disagree with my argument, argue with my argument.
But leave personal insinuations about me out of it.
That's a much more reasonable conversation to have.
You have a level of responsibility when you choose to change the tone of conversation to flirting or any sexual nature with anyone including other adults. Its up to you to make sure you know who you are talking to first.
And yes i would have no issues talking to a 14yr old coz theres nothing wrong with general conversation. The conversation likely wouldnt last long coz i naturally generally dont get on with people younger then me but i see no issues with it.
I know you cant send photos on pimd. You were the one that brung up people go off pimd and on to socials. Photos can be sent on them
That's all good, but probably you forgot we're on PIMD, cutie.
We have reported lot of times lot of pedos.
As always, this had two results:
1) SERIOUS people who use that word for what it really means;
2) Less serious people who use that word to make everyone go against someone.
So, yes, on pimd being in a minor's PMS has a completely different importance.
Then, if we want to play dumb so we don't have to go to war, we can keep doing that, if you want.
But comparing the fact that the avatar does not physically reflect the person behind the screen to the fact that a minor lies about their age is stupid.
- if I am in an RP club or in an 18+ club and I interact with someone who use a woman, a man, a bear or a cow as avatar, it's a thing. I logically don't think I'm talking with a cow, I didn't need your help to understand that. There's nothing immoral or illegal.
- if I am in an RP club or in an 18+ and I interact with a minor cause they lied about their ages, it's TOTALLY another thing. And in this case it's immoral and illegal.
Do you understand the difference, or you need a drawing?
And about socials, PIMD has an OG server on discord. If a minor joined PIMD lying on their age, they will lie on the server too.
I have no problems in talking with minors too, as far as I know they are minors. My sis is 14. I talk with minors everyday.
I have problems in talking with minors, when I dont know they are minors.
And, clearly, the restrictions will push them to lie.
And since we're in a forum where everyone can express their opinion, I can do it too. I like being free to decide if and when to talk to a minor.
If you hate free will, that's not my problem.
DinosAreTheOldestCars
Well-Known Member
Yes pedos are a danger to kids. They are all over the internet and in real life. Kids are not a danger to adults. That is the point im making. You have a personal responsibility to make sure the things you say are appropriate for the person you are talking to. Its not the kids fault if you dont want to take responsibility for your choices of how you interact with strangers on the internetThat's all good, but probably you forgot we're on PIMD, cutie.
We have reported lot of times lot of pedos.
As always, this had two results:
1) SERIOUS people who use that word for what it really means;
2) Less serious people who use that word to make everyone go against someone.
So, yes, on pimd being in a minor's PMS has a completely different importance.
Then, if we want to play dumb so we don't have to go to war, we can keep doing that, if you want.
But comparing the fact that the avatar does not physically reflect the person behind the screen to the fact that a minor lies about their age is stupid.
- if I am in an RP club or in an 18+ club and I interact with someone who use a woman, a man, a bear or a cow as avatar, it's a thing. I logically don't think I'm talking with a cow, I didn't need your help to understand that. There's nothing immoral or illegal.
- if I am in an RP club or in an 18+ and I interact with a minor cause they lied about their ages, it's TOTALLY another thing. And in this case it's immoral and illegal.
Do you understand the difference, or you need a drawing?
And about socials, PIMD has an OG server on discord. If a minor joined PIMD lying on their age, they will lie on the server too.
I have no problems in talking with minors too, as far as I know they are minors. My sis is 14. I talk with minors everyday.
I have problems in talking with minors, when I dont know they are minors.
And, clearly, the restrictions will push them to lie.
And since we're in a forum where everyone can express their opinion, I can do it too. I like being free to decide if and when to talk to a minor.
If you hate free will, that's not my problem.
Kids most definitely can be a danger to adults.
Say a minor lied to get the full access and the trusted someone and told them but that person didnt tell anyone else... say that minor also kept telling other adults they were 18+. Obviously now with this change people should be even more careful to vet the person they speak with but besides word how are you gonna know someone is telling the truth?? Say a parent found out that you talked to.said minor, one that claimed to be 18 to you, now you can get in trouble because you engaged in a way you shouldnt of with a child... they arw most definitely a risk for adults. Kids are smart. Much smarter than anyone gives them credit for, especially in this day and age of technology.
Consider for the Delay ,, mate
Lord.. I already have my answers..
The question is for educated morons,, considering themselves as ATA and MOD
I legit want the ATA and DEV to show up and make me stop by proving me wrong
These mods are not even in the list tbh.. Esp the old ones,, who considers RP (ROLEPLAY) as intimate conversations only..
No offense..
A blessed evening mate
Brub says it's a 12+ years age game
And not a single avatar is less than 16+ years ..
Prolly they dropped in the same class for 3-4 times,, at least .. Or homeschool just like the DEVs,, ATA and MODs
Some even looks like father and mother of at least two three beauteaful children
Or prolly the DEVs,, ATA and MODs were born adult..
Me too starting to OVERTHINK like the THINKING APES,, it seems
Killaaaa
And not a single avatar is less than 16+ years ..
Prolly they dropped in the same class for 3-4 times,, at least .. Or homeschool just like the DEVs,, ATA and MODs
Some even looks like father and mother of at least two three beauteaful children
Or prolly the DEVs,, ATA and MODs were born adult..
Me too starting to OVERTHINK like the THINKING APES,, it seems
Killaaaa
Nooooo. In their opinion, if a kid LIES on their age, It's not the child's responsibility, but mine. Imagine
Legally, it has always been the adult's responsibility. For example, with liquour laws, you are required to see ID to ensure one is of legal age. You'll still be prosecuted if the ID is fake (i.e. the minor lied about their age) because you did not do your due diligence. There are ways to tell if an ID is fake, for example; nowadays a lot of places require you to scan it. The responsibility has and will always lie with the adult, because part of being an adult is having a legal responsibility over those that are under the age of majority. You need to and have always needed to do your due diligence to ensure you're not having private adult conversations with minors on the internet.Nooooo. In their opinion, if a kid LIES on their age, It's not the child's responsibility, but mine. Imagine
Nah yall deleting my messages because im calling yall out for being sus is wild. Calling yall sus is not defamation. Yall are making it look worse and worse for yourselves. Also if it comes out true the ata team did have someone sus on the team it also isnt defamation if it turns out to be true.
With that message I had put a concern or idea out too that I guess we don't want others to see? Asking for suggestions and ways around allowing them on but when someone gives you an idea it vanishes. You guys are WILD....
YES its our responsibility to a point to make sure we arent speaking with a kid... some of them speak very well and mature for their age. My niece does and it blows my mind. If they lie and keep the act up WE WONT KNOW. You can try asking for their ID for proof.. but that probably wont happen because no ome wants to give an ID.
Sus-Ata
Are you guys going to be making avis directed to them? The 13-17 y/o. Do you see how that could also bring in the wrong crowd?
Can you guys make it to where when they join and are found to be 13 or around that they cant log out to make a new account to by pass the age restriction?
Also it sucks you guys DIDNT EVEN WANT TO TELL US OR WARN US ABOUT THIS BUT YOUR MODS PUSHED YOU TOO. Your mods care more about the protection of your members than the dang dev team does. The mods dont even get paid to care!
Ata is also picking and choosing who they want to respond to. Some very valid concerns were brought up and ive seen no effort to ease anyone's mind.
With that message I had put a concern or idea out too that I guess we don't want others to see? Asking for suggestions and ways around allowing them on but when someone gives you an idea it vanishes. You guys are WILD....
YES its our responsibility to a point to make sure we arent speaking with a kid... some of them speak very well and mature for their age. My niece does and it blows my mind. If they lie and keep the act up WE WONT KNOW. You can try asking for their ID for proof.. but that probably wont happen because no ome wants to give an ID.
Sus-Ata
Are you guys going to be making avis directed to them? The 13-17 y/o. Do you see how that could also bring in the wrong crowd?
Can you guys make it to where when they join and are found to be 13 or around that they cant log out to make a new account to by pass the age restriction?
Also it sucks you guys DIDNT EVEN WANT TO TELL US OR WARN US ABOUT THIS BUT YOUR MODS PUSHED YOU TOO. Your mods care more about the protection of your members than the dang dev team does. The mods dont even get paid to care!
Ata is also picking and choosing who they want to respond to. Some very valid concerns were brought up and ive seen no effort to ease anyone's mind.
But... If a minor goes to an adult bar because the bouncer believed their fake ID, the responsibility does not lie with the bar's customers.
I translate: minors who lie about their age are minors with fake IDs; the bouncer is ATA, the customers are us.
If I know that minors have restrictions in place to ensure that they do not come into contact with any other players; if I am in a club that specifically requires members to be 18+; If I make a joke like, "Prank Primer is my favorite party because you can abbreviate it as PP," I'm not the one who's wrong.
I'm not the one who should be labeled an "easy one" or a "predator" because there might be minors... Because, in fact, there shouldn't be.
If I know that minors have restrictions in place to ensure that they do not come into contact with any other players; if I am in a club that specifically requires members to be 18+; If I make a joke like, "Prank Primer is my favorite party because you can abbreviate it as PP," I'm not the one who's wrong.
I'm not the one who should be labeled an "easy one" or a "predator" because there might be minors... Because, in fact, there shouldn't be.
DinosAreTheOldestCars
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Tell that to akon who got fully fucked over for hitting on a teenager who used a fake id to get into a club rated 21+.
Its not your fault if the kid lies, but it is your fault if you dont actually make sure. Kids ad teenagers make alot of stupid decisions coz they dont understand the risks yet. You as a adult DO understand the risks so its your responsibility to make sure you are not putting someone in a unsafe position they they are not old enough for
DinosAreTheOldestCars
Well-Known Member
No one is arguing that kids shouldnt be on the game. Everyone fully agrees wi
DinosAreTheOldestCars
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No one is arguing that kids shouldnt be on the game. Everyone 100% agrees with that part. That part being argued is you saying kids are a danger to adults. They are not. Its your responsibility to make sure you know who you are talking to. This is the internet. For all you know you could also be flirting with a 70yr old dude if you dont do your checks first. Stop trying to pass the blame for taking responsibility of your own choices of how you talk to strangers on the internet
What if you go through all the hoops to try and vet said potential minor and everything they do and send and say makes you 100% believe they are 18+ because they show and said they were. You cant physically hold their id to make sure its got all the proper marks and isnt fake. So with that being said, a lying teen does infact put adults at risk. Thats why its so important for them to fix the glitches and issues with their current system. Im not mad at the system they have. Im mad at the fact they are now advertising it to the youth that should not be here.
I still think they could of done something better. The stores are placing stricter rules in place to keep kids safe. Even with all the changes they are still pushing ads to get them in game and they are still allowing them to be here. Even with the social aspect of it blocked things can and probably will happen. In the end it all comes down to the parent and how well the watch their kids to keep them safe.
The fact that 80% of us agree they shouldnt be here and they still are allowing them to populate the game is WILD. PROVES ata doesnt gaf about us or our opinions. They didnt even want to tell us this change was gonna come.
They asked for ideas on ways around it. They can make another game directed to them specifically that they can push a pop up at graduation to transfer to this game. I had given an idea but moat my comments keep getting deleted because I say ata is sus.