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Freya-Marie said:”Looking non-binary” only exists if you think everyone else 100% conforms to gender stereotypes, when um... 0 live human beings have ever done that
Yeah I feel like androgynous is a good way to describe that someone doesn’t look like one specific gender. The thing with gender is... how could it in itself be anything but stereotype? Like, is a woman no longer a woman if she doesn’t fit into what society wants women to be?Quimey said:Freya-Marie said:”Looking non-binary” only exists if you think everyone else 100% conforms to gender stereotypes, when um... 0 live human beings have ever done that
Deep. Maybe a better concept would be "androgynous". Even LGBT community embraces it.
And yes, zero human beings 100% conform any gender stereotype simply because any stereotype is an abstraction. Individuals are far more complex than any stereotype, be it about ethnicity, social class, sexual identity and orientation, etc.
Freya-Marie said:... that’s why I’m speaking generally and even even avoiding using “you” as a general pronoun in order to make it extra clear....
All I’m saying is: your definition of non-binary is sexist and it’s weird that your response is “but I have nb friends”
Freya-Marie said:Ahhh yess the good old “I have a [minority] friend so I know what I’m talking about”
Freya-Marie said:Speaking as a token minority friend, you better be compensating them for every time you use them as an agreement
I feel like what we can ethically use to back up our arguments is evidence and testimonies of our own experiences. A lot of well-meaning people refer to a minority friend to either prove their good intentions or their knowledge about the subject, even in cases where they don’t really have adequate knowledge. I used to do this until I was called out. Now, if I’m trying to advocate for my friends, I make sure I put in the work to study and fully understand so I don’t accidentally misrepresent and/or fuck anyone over._Hot_asf_Pumpkin_ said:I'll give you that no minority like to be involved, but how else are we going to give examples? I didn't say names, out give it personal info, I'm simply telling you what I leaned from them- not using them to prove a point.
Yes you’re right. I’m sorry. I assumed that you had knowledge of the phenomenon I was referring to, I should’ve been clearer._Hot_asf_Pumpkin_ said:Any the "all I'm saying is...."
Really? Cause, I didn't see you saying any of that anywhere. All I saw was you telling me I was wrong without giving any back up or information.
That’s nice_Hot_asf_Pumpkin_ said:Btws I'm done now. I got things to do tonight. Thanks for the good times though, had fun.