Kpop fans?

Muschi said:
Map-Linh said:
Kefo said:
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Congrats on contributing to a horrible industry that abuses their idols (incl. sexual abuse!) and often doesn't even pay them. Handlers often pocket 90% of the profit. :•)

But they make good music so idols human rights don't really matter huh ? And bringing the issues up is just being a hater
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I mean.. consuming any big time produced things is contributing to those things to some extent. (I prefer supporting their individual projects and things the idols specifically produce for this reason.) But you can’t make it out to be that this is a specific to kpop/korea thing when people in the west are just as bad when it comes to new movies and such where producers/writers or cast members have had scandals with harassment of all sorts ? This is something that happens in entertainment worldwide. It’s a problem everywhere. If you’re gonna jump on people supporting kpop, jump on people supporting big time productions everywhere too.
 
I was more or less mad that she shrugged it off like it was nothing and she didn't care about their horrible treatment. I partake in bad industries myself, but I try not to blow off criticism or ignore it. She just blew it off. So that's why I jumped at her.
 
Muschi said:
I was more or less mad that she shrugged it off like it was nothing and she didn't care about their horrible treatment. I partake in bad industries myself, but I try not to blow off criticism or ignore it. She just blew it off. So that's why I jumped at her.
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I wasn’t tryna “shrug it off like it was nothing”. Sounded like it (the pic didn’t help), but I wasn’t. It sucks bc average fan can’t really do anything against a big, intricate system like Kpop. And with the amount of fans that Kpop is attracting, it’s not gonna stop anytime soon despite the over saturated market. And ofc I care about their treatments, but it’s one of those things where unless the idol(s) speaks out and exposes the industry, kinda like the MeToo movement, we won’t really see any change. JYJ did that and the government did smth about the slave contracts. Overall, I guess I’m taking more of a cynical view for this issue.

It’s kind of hard to explain for me, so I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.
 
I love Ikon, BTS, Got7, Seventeen, Pentagon, Block B, Winner, and Exo... I normally listen to Ikon, svt, and Pentagon nowadays tho~
 
Map-Linh said:
Muschi said:
I was more or less mad that she shrugged it off like it was nothing and she didn't care about their horrible treatment. I partake in bad industries myself, but I try not to blow off criticism or ignore it. She just blew it off. So that's why I jumped at her.
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I wasn’t tryna “shrug it off like it was nothing”. Sounded like it (the pic didn’t help), but I wasn’t. It sucks bc average fan can’t really do anything against a big, intricate system like Kpop. And with the amount of fans that Kpop is attracting, it’s not gonna stop anytime soon despite the over saturated market. And ofc I care about their treatments, but it’s one of those things where unless the idol(s) speaks out and exposes the industry, kinda like the MeToo movement, we won’t really see any change. JYJ did that and the government did smth about the slave contracts. Overall, I guess I’m taking more of a cynical view for this issue.

It’s kind of hard to explain for me, so I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.
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Yeah I understand! Thanks for explaining.
 
Kefo said:
https://youtu.be/J8LxORztUWY

It's an inhumane industry more than a genre or artform. It doesn't break any musical or cultural ground. It's just like an unnerving, exploitative commercial conglomerate with the cheesiest smile yet this millenium. The differences between K-pop groups are so small that they look like clones of eachother to anyone who isn't a fan themselves.

Somehow even more generic and bland than western pop music. The colour, high energy, pleasant faces, and appeal to cuteness almost compensate for the lack of substance, but they still fall short.
I don't see anything special in K-pop idols. They're not like singers in the West who tend to develop and create their own music. Rather, they're like a choir. Why do we call them idols when they're powerless, bring nothing to the table except conducting the will of their producers. The real "idols" are behind the scenes and the choir perform for them.

idk how anyone could like it after applying a critical perspective.
It's vapid af.
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Kefo said:
Kefo said:
https://youtu.be/J8LxORztUWY

It's an inhumane industry more than a genre or artform. It doesn't break any musical or cultural ground. It's just like an unnerving, exploitative commercial conglomerate with the cheesiest smile yet this millenium. The differences between K-pop groups are so small that they look like clones of eachother to anyone who isn't a fan themselves.

Somehow even more generic and bland than western pop music. The colour, high energy, pleasant faces, and appeal to cuteness almost compensate for the lack of substance, but they still fall short.
I don't see anything special in K-pop idols. They're not like singers in the West who tend to develop and create their own music. Rather, they're like a choir. Why do we call them idols when they're powerless, bring nothing to the table except conducting the will of their producers. The real "idols" are behind the scenes and the choir perform for them.

idk how anyone could like it after applying a critical perspective.
It's vapid af.
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Totally agree with this. Even those who try to get away from big companies and try to make their own music end ip paying more than is worth it.
 
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