Obamacare

Oreo, I was looking at the unconstitutional part....Lol, so it's still relating to the topic in some way And right, "terrorists"
 
I agree with ShanMonster. People these days feel the govt owes them, that they are entitled to be taken care of by the govt. That, I think, is the root of the problem.
Reference 25 yr old Amanda Clayton from Michigan who was on welfare and won $1mil on the lottery. She continued to collect from welfare after winning, and when she was caught she stated "I feel that it's OK, I mean, I have no income and I have bills to pay."
Or reference homeless individuals in CA. A homeless individual in CA is somehow entitled to $200 in food stamps and $300 in cash per month. That's $500 a month for existing, and there is no time limit to this. They may collect until the day they die.
Or how about, unemployment, and all those people that have discovered they can collect more from unemployment than they can get from working so they remain on unemployment until their time is up because they know getting a job will end the unemployment income.

Don't get me wrong. I do believe in assistance by the govt, but not continued assistance, and not to this extent. People need to pick themselves up and contribute to society and if they can't do that then they need to be cut off from benefits the govt provides. This includes hospitals. We should not be treating drug addicts who habitually overdose and cannot pay their medical bills.

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Ok I looked into this thread out of curiosity and got as far as page 8 before I felt I couldn't stand it any more.

I live in the UK, we pay higher levels of tax so that healthcare is free. I have never paid a penny for healthcare. This is one of the best aspects of my country.

I shall tell you why.

Free healthcare means less sick workers. People will be more likely to visit a doctor if they don't have to pay.

This will mean increased work hours in America. Less money will be lost to sickness and poor health.

The revenue from this will hopefully go some of the way to offsetting the increased tax and raising the standard of living for all.

I'm sorry but I feel quite uncomfortable when people moan about the money they will have to pay out. This money will save the lives of other people. The idea that only those who are drug-free should receive discounted healthcare is incredibly dangerous. Picking and choosing who receives medical treatment is immoral and ultimately damaging to society.

Only my opinion here guys, and I am by no means an expert on the issue.
 
Here's something you guys may not know about the government going through emails and such.

I once did a debate on this issue, and I had to be for it. I found out that the CIA or whatever searches terms such as "bomb" or something in emails. They don't go through random emails unless it contains one of the words they search.
 
I wouldn't mind the healthcare bill if we could afford it. I lived in Canada for four years with my Canadian wife and boy did it save us a lot of money. But, the Canadian (and probably UK) healthcare is thought out better and basically perfected.
Still, you should have seen the lines to the doctor. Since everything is "free" then everyone goes to the doctor for the smallest cut or scrape.

I say if we get this healthcare bill, we need to do MAJOR cuts other places. Like stop sending money to countries who hate us, etc. that way it will be easier to afford. But right now with that bill, we will plundge WAY deeper into debt, and if Romney gets elected he will get the blame.

I say this bill needs to be thought out better before put into action, if at all.

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Yes... I got a couple minutes of wifi 
 
We have it in the uk. And it will stop greed. Of medical companies. The price of an aspirin in hospitals in countries there is no health care is scandalous. It's not going to wreck America but prove once and for all it is the land of the free. People have severe disabilities that have to go untreated as they are unable to meet premiums. Health care is a right not just for those that can afford it.
 
But again, the health care plan in the UK and Canada, as someone said before, is very well thought out and has a great system. I don't think those countries are in a $15 trillion debt. I'm saying that right now, America can't afford to provide this health care service right now. In the future, if the debt gets better, then maybe we could afford it. But right now, we are $15 TRILLION in debt. We need to focus on that.
 
I think that it's a law that forces you to give back to the rest of humanity despite their situations whether they put themselves there or not. I find it heartbreaking that people should be denied care in desperate needs.. But paying the enormously large amount of tax is backbreaking especially when you already have medical insurance. Obama planned this during his candidacy so I'm surprised he actually got through the first step within the first 4 years but with high doubts that he would be reelected in a bad economy, these few upcoming months would be his last chance to make it happen or it'll all just be pretty words. I don't exactly dislike this new law but I do not look forward to the upcoming taxes either...
 
I haven't really read about what the obamacare is really... But I've lived in a few countries, and I know how health care works in those countries... Canada has pretty much the same system has Portugal... Only in Portugal tax are not so huge... But then again nor are the wages... I now live in Switzerland, health care here is very easy, everyone must have a private health insurance, you don't chose yours the government will chose it for you, it's expensive... Just for my health insurance I pay around 500$ usd... If by any change you can't pay for the health insurance the government will help you, but you must prove that you really can't pay, and that you really can't work.
To be very honest I think the Swiss system is the best I've seen so far... Although it sucks to pay 500$ every month, the health system is one of the best, a patient is treated like a person, and a patient is never a number... What usually happens when it's the government who pays...
When it comes to paying for others... Well sorry to break it to you guys... But we actually live I'm society... And living in society is also that... Don't forget that now your paying for others... But when you're 96 years old someone will be paying for you... It's thinking like that that got this world to where it's at... Everyone deserves health care... You are paying for rapists to stay in jail and have health care, and a roof, and food, and clean laundry... Is it do hard to pay for a person who that never did anything wrong to anyone and just need treatment for cancer, but unfortunately doesn't have health insurance?
 
Again...the freeloaders shouldn't get healthcare. What about those who can't afford insurance but have low paid jobs but have lifestyles meaning they're more likely to need care and 'drain' the system? Should they?

Prevention also includes activities like smoking cessation, weight management, helping people with drug and alcohol problems. I.e. dealing with potential issues before they become an illness and cause pain, suffering and a massive healthcare bill which would then pass on to someone. It's costs £5000 here for an emergency admission via the ER- much less to see someone and stick them on a diet before they get diabetes and need a leg lopping off.
 
We don't pay that. That's the cost that the hospital charges to the primary care trust who pay for the patient. I assume it's like what the hospital charges the insurance company
 
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