Is it really that big of a deal?

[WhoTfIsWesday]

You should take a second to go back and read the previous comments. Because never once did I say “I am more rational than everyone else”. I responded to a comment in which someone else said that I was assuming other people are thinking rationally, in which I asked why we encourage irrationality. And if after rereading that previous conversation you still believe the way I think is distasteful then ok, it won’t hurt my feelings lol

You literally talk about leading others down the rational path though. I'm not sure how else you expect that to be read

 

[WhoTfIsWesday]

Also. This thread keeps reminding me of this gif.

She made life choices that set her down a certain path. Das all.

 

[NurseBecky]

You literally talk about leading others down the rational path though. I'm not sure how else you expect that to be read

As in, don’t encourage people to think irrationally? If someone gets upset about something such as a celebrity not being sensitive enough, help them see it’s not a big deal and don’t let it get them down rather than stoke the emotional fire. Like I don’t see how tf that’s distasteful lol but again, you’re entitled to your opinion.

 

[WhoTfIsWesday]

As in, don’t encourage people to think irrationally? If someone gets upset about something such as a celebrity not being sensitive enough, help them see it’s not a big deal and don’t let it get them down rather than stoke the emotional fire. Like I don’t see how tf that’s distasteful lol but again, you’re entitled to your opinion.

Maybe it's a big deal to them. Idrc if you understand why I'm icked out by your thought process

 

[NurseBecky]

Maybe it's a big deal to them. Idrc if you understand why I'm icked out by your thought process

Idrc that you’re icked out by my thought process. It’s on the list of shit that doesn’t matter. Right next to what celebrities say on Twitter.

 

[WhoTfIsWesday]

Idrc that you’re icked out by my thought process. It’s on the list of shit that doesn’t matter. Right next to what celebrities say on Twitter.

You've already mentioned that several times but keep repeating yourself

 

[NurseBecky]

You've already mentioned that several times but keep repeating yourself

I don’t see a reason be get childish about it don’t let my opinion of anything put a damper on your day. We can agree to disagree on this subject and just move on.

 

[Carrie]

For something that does not matter, you seem to have written a whole lot about it. So if you can be bothered by strangers' thoughts, why can't these people be bothered by celebrities' actions?

And I don't think we're in place to dictate what should or should not be a big deal to other people, especially people we don't know.

 

[NurseBecky]

For something that does not matter, you seem to have written a whole lot about it. So if you can be bothered by strangers' thoughts, why can't these people be bothered by celebrities' actions?

And I don't think we're in place to dictate what should or should not be a big deal to other people, especially people we don't know.

It was something to start a conversation about, get people talking. And something I have a hard time seeing more than one side of, so why not discuss it. That being said after reading what some people had to say about the other side of things it still makes no sense to me. And I think that’s ok, as some people can’t make sense of my side either.

 

[This_Is_Jessie]

It is tone deaf to say the least. If only life for most people worked in a way that your pay equalled the work you put in or your value to society as a whole. I consider myself working poor/ blue collar, both of my parents worked 70+ hours a week also. It's hard work too, literally most days the only time you get to sit down is to pee. I have joined one of the millions of newly unemployed during this pandemic. My story is not unique right now. I had to go to work as long as I had customers, so this is the only time that I am grateful to be laid off, because in the end life is more essential than my business. Everyday I am so thankful that I can stay home during this pandemic, it is simply not a choice for many.



Yes, it is easier for people with means and privilege to stay home. Our first responders, doctors, and nurses are amazing right now, but they also knew what they were signing up for, and I still don't think that they get paid enough. Our grocery clerks, sanitation workers, and many others who are risking their lives right now to keep society functioning are not compensated for what they are going through. The communities that are getting struck the hardest are lower income, not because they are lazy, but because they don't have the means. You can research the effects of food deserts, poor infrastructure, failing healthcare systems, and many other issues that have been going on long before this pandemic that make it so, and are greatly out of an individual's control. This pandemic only puts a magnifying glass on those problems.



I also do not mean to hate on the rich and well off. I know many of them worked hard to get where they are. Many of them donate and have wonderfully positive impacts on society. But ignoring problems too or downplaying them never fixes anything. Sometimes to understand the darkness you have to step out of the light, right into the dark with them. Even then too, you know that you, as a person with means, have the option to leave if it gets too much, others have no options but to stay.



Everyone stay safe (as safe as you can)

 

[This_Is_Jessie]

Maybe she feels like she's in prision because she's wearing a house arrest anklet

Maybe this is left over from her days doing stand up in the bad parts of town? It's her stash of credit cards and a pack of secret smokes. You know when we ladies go to that part of town, a lot of us stuff those things in our socks or our bra. Some old habits are difficult to break.

 

[This_Is_Jessie]

I don't want to send this thread off topic. So after reading these comments, OP, I think we can't agree that poverty a choice. I think that people who were able to pull themselves by their bootstraps need to look back and pull others up, because for everyone who "made it" there are a bunch of people who tried really hard and didn't. It's a sore spot for many people in the middle class, because they are already just trying to stay afloat. So when a major disaster happens, and they were already at the end of their ropes, it's enough to tip them over. And since we're mostly at home, people are on the internet more, and thus using social media as an outlet. Celebrities are easy targets because they're almost everywhere.

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

Maybe this is left over from her days doing stand up in the bad parts of town? It's her stash of credit cards and a pack of secret smokes. You know when we ladies go to that part of town, a lot of us stuff those things in our socks or our bra. Some old habits are difficult to break.

 

[Kefo]

Ok, you’re right I’m assuming people are going to think rationally. And that’s not always the case. But instead of sugar coating things and babying people and sparing everyone’s feelings because they aren’t thinking rationally, why don’t we instead try to lead people into a rational way of thinking? Wouldn’t that in turn be more productive?

The education system is ill-equipped due to overprivatization and neglect from the government
There are creationist schools and a clear gap between private and public-funded education. The American Education system is a joke for a world super power.

These public improvements are socially funded and actually do require money to implement.

If you really want a bottom-down improvement to society. From the people. It has to first come from schools which should be supported from above by government, by taxes. And across society.

That's the value of education.

Even parents need to be educated to teach this stuff to their kids. It isn't just a "parents ain't right" kind of thing. Yeah because they were kids and are fresh out of school.

 

[Oasis]

The education system is ill-equipped due to overprivatization and neglect from the government
There are creationist schools and a clear gap between private and public-funded education. The American Education system is a joke for a world super power.

These public improvements are socially funded and actually do require money to implement.

If you really want a bottom-down improvement to society. From the people. It has to first come from schools which should be supported from above by government, by taxes. And across society.

That's the value of education.

Even parents need to be educated to teach this stuff to their kids. It isn't just a "parents ain't right" kind of thing. Yeah because they were kids and are fresh out of school.

What's the Australian education system like? From what I know about the UK and Canada's, it seems decent at least compared to the US's (but I'm sure they have their own problems to deal with).

 

[Kefo]

You seem unable to view any problem as being on a social level or a political level. You seem totally ignorant of legal progress or the concept of justice.

You would nearly be a social darwinist if you didn't also think there was some (unexplainable or improvable) way in which everyone can become stoic, rational, and respect the rich.

Would a society of superhumans really be better than one in which we try and protect humans from their own savage vices? Probably.

But both sides have to meet. We need laws, we need protections. We have to respect peoples' feelings and emotionality because these things are themselves socially predetermined.

Formal education,
Socioeconomic status,
Cultural wisdom,
Healthcare and social support services which relieve undue and (often) truly unavoidable stressors such as that produced by abuse, poor grades, a realistic view of the world.
Food security,
Etc.

All of those things statistically can relieve peoples' stress and make them less neurotic. We haven't all seen all the motivational posters in the world. And even those who have can't always apply them to their lives.

You can't just bring people up by patronizing them.

You have to do work, change policy, and change some things about society for them to work.

 

[Kefo]

What's the Australian education system like? From what I know about the UK and Canada's, it seems decent at least compared to the US's (but I'm sure they have their own problems to deal with).

Public schools often nip at the heels of and can outperform privately funded ones.

Lots of lower SES schools are still struggling.

We have some big issues. Not enough male teachers, low confidence in women in teaching STEM subjects, lack of female role models in STEM. I think having pure generalist primary teachers suck and they should co-teach. Have STEM and humanities (generalist) specialist teachers coteaching in primary...

Idk. there are lots of others. Potential improvements to the system are mostly expensive and we have to find cost-effective solutions

 

[PowerOfAwesome1]

All I really heard from this was 2 points.

1. Poverty is a choice.

2. Rich people earnt their stuff so you can't call them out of touch.

3. Them being out of touch is not a big deal.

4. I identify as (the working poor?) yet I still respect rich people and the work they did for their financial and physical security and I think they can totally relate to people living on the razor's edge of homelessness, poverty, being completely susceptible to a deadly virus without the money for health care, and we should really be thanking them for their supportive words.
Their self isolation = their self isolation. We ALL need to show strength in this time and we need to hear it from them.


I think you're right. It isn't a big deal. I wouldn't expect the messages from any people in relatable conditions to be spread as far and wide as those from famour, rich, and successful celebrities. I think that the backlash to these messages comes from their perceived image being that of a cheap donation. They are rich. They can send us money but they send us our words. I'm sure many poor peoplr absolutely love Will Smith and wants to see him and his family doing well sharing love.

Those are what are normally called class bootlickers. The right-wingers who love their capitalist overlords.

On the other side are the jaded poor commies who stand up for themselves and do not need to hear from privileged fucks about their groteque charade of "struggle". They don't know what it means. Their times are easy. Instead of lying to appear relatable, they should be talking about their privilege and sharing their wealth to support the poor.

In such a deep crisis, this issue becomes divisive because one group of people is seriously struggling and are frustrated at these "Tone deaf and grotesque" "relatable" "supportive" videos. They may be angry. They are being let down by their capitalist system in many ways more than one. Deep, throughout society, the flaws of capitalism are showing and cracks have been formed by this virus. The coming economic recession looks like it will be worse than that of 1920.

The faces of the rich, who benefit from this system, should not be in the faces of the poor to patronize them. They will be angry.

And then there are people who just want to say how well they are doing and how much they are struggling and how if you try hard you will come out on top. How the celebs are nice and we should be thankful for ANY contribution they make.

Do not mistake these times for business as usual. We're on the cusp of a third world war. L

The only thing i can say is poverty is not always a choice otherwise we would all be rich by now. There are some hard workers that could work like 60 hours a week and still struggle to afford themselves due to the world. Also with every rich person, there will also be a poor person due to the balance. If it was a choice then everyone would have high end jobs and be able to properly afford what they need but if it happens it will also cause inflation.

The other points make sense but poverty is just not always a choice

 

[toz5]

So I was reading through Apple news this morning, and saw an article that I feel like I’ve seen too many times before. Apparently people are angry or upset because celebrities are posting pictures and comments about waiting out this pandemic, but in the comfort of a mansion, a vacation home, an island, a yacht... you get the picture. I saw words used to describe this such as “tone deaf” and “grotesque” and I have to ask, is it really that serious?
The way I see it, those people worked for that money.. and worked for that life.. they made a career choice, they took the necessary paths to get to where they are to live the life they have. (Even in the case of inherited money, SOMEONE worked for it) in my mind that comes with its perks, like in the case of a pandemic you and your family have a beautiful home in a beautiful place filled with food and access to anything you might need. That’s a life they worked for. So it doesn’t make sense to me that people who didn’t work for that are upset that they don’t have it? Like it’s not fair that they’re waiting out this sickness in a shitty appartment somewhere because they don’t have the same resources. I live in a suburb in a shitty place, staying at home everyday with a baby, while my man who has an essential job has to go out and risk getting sick everyday. Buts that’s the life we chose. And I don’t feel in any way upset that someone else out there has more than me. So should people who made it their mission to set up themselves and their family with money and comforts hide what they have and pretend they’re suffering as much as someone else?
Anyone else have an opinion on this?

scud

 

[NurseBecky]

scud