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[RoseMilkTea]

And since yall have seemed to miss a previous response from Marcie, I'll repost it

Hey all! It's Marcie.

Just read through a lot of the sentiment on this event and I acknowledge the upset. I just wanted to provide a voice for ATA here and talk about the adjustments that were necessary for the sake of the game's economy health. Change sucks (trust me, I know), but change is also inevitable if we're going to want to look at sustaining this wonderful game super long-term. And that's still the goal!

I don't know about y'all but making changes that'll make people wanna quit like crazy is 100% the opposite of what we're trying to achieve here. It literally doesn't make sense. "Hey, how can we get our players to quit?! Best ideas win!!!" is definitely not how our last brainstorm session went down, I promise!

That being said, I wanted to send a message from the PIMD team to all of you! Especially addressing the concern that @AdalineRose has shared recently!

Adaline, we love you and we absolutely recognize you as a stalwart in our community for some time now. I know this game is important to you, as it is for us and it is only right that we respond to your recent comment so here goes:

-Decided the Mythic Pass story holders didn't deserve an answer or refunds on the broke passes. They actually auto shut down tickets when the pass was over. They gave out inconsistent responses and gave out a fraudulent pass
Sadly, the Myth Fulfillment Story Pass was never broken. We extensively studied the data over and over with each ticket that was sent in, scouring for errors in our spreadsheets. No problems in the data were found; it came down to this: players were making incorrect choices that were based on word-of-mouth advice spread through the community. Players were either picking the wrong choice, and in cases where they were picking the right choices, they ultimately chose the wrong ending. One thing to note as well is that the choices made in the cash portion of the Story Pass made a difference in the final ending too.

-Timer boxes got a reduce in time rate starting with Brisbane, done that. The times before that hunt was when timers were first released. However, the drops were proportionate to the 3 hour timers.
-Timer boxes get a reduced drop rate, the amount you win is less, and the timer to unlock is reduced. This happened for our last hunt. The min was 95.
-Timer boxes get a further reduce in the amount you win at a min of 65 for the current hunt
Timer Boxes were a large part of the balance adjustment necessary to keep a strong + healthy game economy. The drops were never decided based on an hourly rate, even though it may seem like that form an outside perspective.

-Timer boxes get a reduced drop rate when dropping from regular parties. I can say I went an entire 7 days without a timer box drop when hitting regular POTD.
We actually haven't adjusted Timer Box drop rates – this is all luck.

Alright let's talk XC leaderboard
They removed the XC event where you got speed ups from hitting parties. You know that game mechanic? The speed ups are replaced in bags you win which just have terrible drop rates. Nowhere near like the XC leaderboard event was
So the new bags actually offer a chance at better Speed Ups than was previously available.

Spinner Ads
-25 per phone now. Ata may not have a choice on this one. But it's a change nonetheless
This particular change stings but is currently necessary due to the vast amounts of exploits being done with video ads Sucks that a good thing has to go because of the actions of a few baddies. This cap is still in review though, and may change.

Hunt Requirements for Avatars
-Starting Valentines's day hunt (Get to Know You) main story avatars were at 8k
-7 day hunt this (last hunt) main story avatars were at 9.6k
-14 day hunt (current) the avatars are at a whopping 16k. Even my best friends who hit a ton, they 100% struggle to hit 16k if they even can in that time period
Once again, as the game and its players grows, so must we adjust for that growth in order to keep the economy balanced and stable. This is a natural progression in any area of successful growth.

I know these are AR's points I've been addressing but this goes out to everyone reading this.

I hope that it provides some context to the decisions we've had to make recently. I also want to remind you folks that we're open to any and all feedback (that makes sense and was well thought-out). At ATA, one of our core values is "Best Ideas Win". We can work together to create the best environment y'all can be yourselves and be happy while enjoying the game in, and we can keep providing you the best experiences to our reasonable ability! The changes we make aren't always going to be set in stone, and we'll always keep changing things as we go along with the overall goal of bettering the game and its community i.e. you guys.

Any further questions, please feel free to send in a ticket. Nonsense complaints that have no basis in reality or demonstrate a lack of critical thinking however, are likely not going to be spent time discussed.

Srsly, guys. We literally exist for you. We take that seriously But to keep existing, we're going to have to keep making the right decisions.

Thanks for reading this!

xoxo,
Actual Marcie

 

[Victoria]

Hey Victoria!

I wanted to acknowledge your post and use this as an example of what constructive feedback looks like; it is a clear way to share your thoughts in an articulated manner that shows thoughtfulness and is what we are more likely to respond to. We are not compelled to respond to childish demands as most of this comment section has turned into.

It also looks like most of you have missed it – I posted a response in the original post addressing these recent concerns.

With regards to your feedback, Victoria, you are correct that only a small representative of the player base exist on the forums; however, we do care what this group of players think and have been reading all this feedback. As always, we will continue to do experiments and move forward based on those results!

Once again, a reminder that bitter comments that do not demonstrate intellect and productive criticism will certainly be passed over.

Thank you for taking time to respond to my comment, Marcie.

 

[InvaderKeeng]

Disappointed another day, ATA. When will you acknowledge us? #nomoneymarch

Asdfgsaksncjsk I’m just so sad, and so unimpressed

Hey Victoria!

I wanted to acknowledge your post and use this as an example of what constructive feedback looks like; it is a clear way to share your thoughts in an articulated manner that shows thoughtfulness and is what we are more likely to respond to. We are not compelled to respond to childish demands as most of this comment section has turned into.

It also looks like most of you have missed it – I posted a response in the original post addressing these recent concerns.

With regards to your feedback, Victoria, you are correct that only a small representative of the player base exist on the forums; however, we do care what this group of players think and have been reading all this feedback. As always, we will continue to do experiments and move forward based on those results!

Once again, a reminder that bitter comments that do not demonstrate intellect and productive criticism will certainly be passed over.

You guys really had a chance to make things right, and instead, you buckled down, defended yourselves, and belittled us. I could honestly cry. I really thought you guys would fix it if we told you what we thought. #nomoneymarch

 

[Oasis]

Bumping this edit to the original post in this thread Marcie mentioned, as I and others did gloss over it:

Update – March 3 | 11:40 AM PST

Hey folks, Marcie again here. Rest assured, we see your feedback and our response remains the same:

We are constantly going to be making changes to the game and we release new stuff nearly every week. While these recent changes may not be popular with everyone, we are acting on the belief that they are in the best long term interest of the game based on our research into the community and the data we have. We'll continue to monitor the situation and productive + intelligent feedback is certainly welcome. Do remember the best way to get your point across is to stay constructive and positive! Trolling will certainly not be entertained [/center]

 

[Leigh]

Hey Victoria!

I wanted to acknowledge your post and use this as an example of what constructive feedback looks like; it is a clear way to share your thoughts in an articulated manner that shows thoughtfulness and is what we are more likely to respond to. We are not compelled to respond to childish demands as most of this comment section has turned into.

It also looks like most of you have missed it – I posted a response in the original post addressing these recent concerns.

With regards to your feedback, Victoria, you are correct that only a small representative of the player base exist on the forums; however, we do care what this group of players think and have been reading all this feedback. As always, we will continue to do experiments and move forward based on those results!

Once again, a reminder that bitter comments that do not demonstrate intellect and productive criticism will certainly be passed over.

We appreciate your reply, and while a lot of people’s replies may seem ‘childish and bitter’ I know I can’t speak for everyone that has commented on the thread, but I believe the majority of it is people have had enough at this point.
I understand wanting to change the game up and add new things, I personally am all for that as long as it’s fair to players! But when the majority of the recent changes are behind a pay wall and make it harder for players to obtain things it’s gotten people riled up.
I also saw your reply in the hunt thread about recent changes but people are wanting an explanation for this particular change as it’s not really related to the other concerns that were brought up

Thanks for taking the time to interact with us though, hopefully changes everyone can enjoy will happen soon

 

[lilhero]

Hey Victoria!

I wanted to acknowledge your post and use this as an example of what constructive feedback looks like; it is a clear way to share your thoughts in an articulated manner that shows thoughtfulness and is what we are more likely to respond to. We are not compelled to respond to childish demands as most of this comment section has turned into.

It also looks like most of you have missed it – I posted a response in the original post addressing these recent concerns.

With regards to your feedback, Victoria, you are correct that only a small representative of the player base exist on the forums; however, we do care what this group of players think and have been reading all this feedback. As always, we will continue to do experiments and move forward based on those results!

Once again, a reminder that bitter comments that do not demonstrate intellect and productive criticism will certainly be passed over.

Its the most bullshit thing to do to just go ahead and make us seem “bitter” and “childish” for the fact that we can no longer play this game without draining our hard earned money, I think ANYONE and I absolutely mean ANYONE has the right to be upset at the demands that your greedy company has set upon a once stable game, I am deeply disappointed at the fact that this game has turned to absolute garbage, it is unplayable as the only thing we could do is get avis, and your only excuse is to set us off as childish when YOU are charging us 60 dollars an avi, dropping the chances to get a free avi from boxes, thinking we have the time and energy to be on this game 24/7 to get 16k drops for other avis, killing the only way to earn free avis (timer boxes) without having to do much. Nope, sorry, this is not ending with us seen as “childish” just because you want an extra paycheck #nomoneymarch

 

[Oasis]

So my take at this point: no changes are going to be made immediately to current hunt and current monthly theme, but they are open to constructive criticism and will implement any changes/adjustments moving forward. Ergo, next hunt and next monthly theme. This is suitable for me personally (while it is a bit disappointing to have to take a monetarily responsible hard pass on this month's avis), and I'll be open to sharing my continued thoughts and feedback as they come in. As I said in another thread, change is sometimes a good thing, and this time it was a bit too drastic, and too fast. Hopefully ATA takes some of the better ideas the community brainstormed to the ATA HQ "drawing room."

While Marcie's response may not please everyone, it is important to at least consider that she did make a statement at all. She didn't have to, regardless of how many people were demanding it, so we should at least be appreciative that there isn't radio silence from the devs.

 

[PartyHelper]

For me, all these changes have been very discouraging and have made me wonder if it's really worth it to stick around. Initially, I created this alt to help out struggling clubs and new clubs, simply because I like to help. But upon trying to build the account, I noticed it got so much harder to grow and achieve things as a new player. The in-game economy is chaotic (offer and demand, I understand). And now players are being stripped of all the chances of getting avatars for free. I was waiting excitedly for the hunt I would be able to reach 6k on this account and grab my first pair of avatars. Now at 16k... Impossible, I can forget about it.

You know, every new player has a goal to get rid of the starter avatar. And when they realize it is much harder than it should be, they will uninstall this game and go for another one.

It's truly disappointing, because PIMD wasn't like this a couple years ago. It was much more fun to play knowing that we could actually get far with our hard work and effort. Now it's all about who has enough money to afford progressing.

 

[[ATA]Marceline]

While I understand that some responses from players come from anger or general upsetness, it’s not the best move to ignore even the proper ones. Many of us have voiced our concerns in a proper way and expressed how we feel, not simply yelling in caps or with excessive curses, etc.

Along with this, expressing sooner/right after adding it that an addition has been made to the post would’ve been a bit easier. Many players, especially new/non forum user ones, don’t read the original post because, well, it’s the original. They aren’t going to think a new update/updates will be added on, but addressed in some way.

Thanks for responding, but being a bit belittling when many of us are being civil is a bit harsh. <3

Fair enough, fair enough! And I appreciate those ones that have come through in a polite manner.

Also re: your last point, y'all shouldn't dish it if you can't handle a bit of spice back from ATA

But yes, we're all trying to play for the same team here: a game that everyone can truly enjoy and be excited about that us at ATA can continue to keep running for ages to come.

 

[Aphire]

Fair enough, fair enough! And I appreciate those ones that have come through in a polite manner.

Also re: your last point, y'all shouldn't dish it if you can't handle a bit of spice back from ATA

But yes, we're all trying to play for the same team here: a game that everyone can truly enjoy and be excited about that us at ATA can continue to keep running for ages to come.

Most of us will expect spice when appropriate. Getting it when we are discussing serious concerns makes ATA seem so unprofessional it's unreal...

 

[-bae]

what a mess this has become an still will continue to be.

 

[Aphire]

Most of us will expect spice when appropriate. Getting it when we are discussing serious concerns makes ATA seem so unprofessional it's unreal...

*Most of us will accept

 

[-bae]

Just my opinion but I highly doubt this app will be around for “ages to come” if it keeps going down this path.

 

[[ATA]Marceline]

Its the most bullshit thing to do to just go ahead and make us seem “bitter” and “childish” for the fact that we can no longer play this game without draining our hard earned money, I think ANYONE and I absolutely mean ANYONE has the right to be upset at the demands that your greedy company has set upon a once stable game, I am deeply disappointed at the fact that this game has turned to absolute garbage, it is unplayable as the only thing we could do is get avis, and your only excuse is to set us off as childish when YOU are charging us 60 dollars an avi, dropping the chances to get a free avi from boxes, thinking we have the time and energy to be on this game 24/7 to get 16k drops for other avis, killing the only way to earn free avis (timer boxes) without having to do much. Nope, sorry, this is not ending with us seen as “childish” just because you want an extra paycheck #nomoneymarch

... is a fantastic example of what we're not going to respond to.

I'm just Marcie the Messenger here folks; my job is to pass on the most helpful feedback to the designers who make the calls on what to do next. This sort of language comes off as bullying and nobody likes to give in to a bully's demands and is completely filtered by me.

You're not wrong in that I was being condescending but I was doing so to the group of people making and hiding behind alts and then demanding things from us. Happy to engage with people when it's civil and constructive and when the pitchforks are nicely put away.

 

[Aphire]

... is a fantastic example of what we're not going to respond to.

I'm just Marcie the Messenger here folks; my job is to pass on the most helpful feedback to the designers who make the calls on what to do next. This sort of language comes off as bullying and nobody likes to give in to a bully's demands and is completely filtered by me.

You're not wrong in that I was being condescending but I was doing so to the group of people making and hiding behind alts and then demanding things from us. Happy to engage with people when it's civil and constructive and when the pitchforks are nicely put away.

Do you get how that makes you just as bad as those people though? You can't really say much about their actions when you're doing the same thing..

 

[Oasis]

So my take at this point: no changes are going to be made immediately to current hunt and current monthly theme, but they are open to constructive criticism and will implement any changes/adjustments moving forward. Ergo, next hunt and next monthly theme. This is suitable for me personally (while it is a bit disappointing to have to take a monetarily responsible hard pass on this month's avis), and I'll be open to sharing my continued thoughts and feedback as they come in. As I said in another thread, change is sometimes a good thing, and this time it was a bit too drastic, and too fast. Hopefully ATA takes some of the better ideas the community brainstormed to the ATA HQ "drawing room."

While Marcie's response may not please everyone, it is important to at least consider that she did make a statement at all. She didn't have to, regardless of how many people were demanding it, so we should at least be appreciative that there isn't radio silence from the devs.

Seeing as how Marcie liked this, I'm assuming I read correctly. Looking forward to seeing the adjustments that will be made! Hopefully they will be satisfactory for the general community so we can all move on and progress from this, and continue playing and enjoying PIMD for what it is and should be.

 

[bugsy]

Fair enough, fair enough! And I appreciate those ones that have come through in a polite manner.

Also re: your last point, y'all shouldn't dish it if you can't handle a bit of spice back from ATA

But yes, we're all trying to play for the same team here: a game that everyone can truly enjoy and be excited about that us at ATA can continue to keep running for ages to come.

I understand the whole “dish it out” thing.. but many of us didn’t dish anything out. Myself and another player explained our medical situations and how this game was something we enjoy, but can’t be on and active the way we want. Many players expressed their enjoyment, love, etc. for the game and/or how they’ve been around for a long time.

There are always going to be those who let anger take over, though some comments that were “childish” were in the right to be and expressed criticism with emotion, instead of flat comments. However, those “childish” comments don’t mean all of us should be met with harshness or insults.

So, as I said, thank you for responding, it’s wonderful to know our comments are being heard, but those who run and moderate this app shouldn’t be targeting players simply because some of us got emotional.

 

[Day]

Do you get how that makes you just as bad as those people though? You can't really say much about their actions when you're doing the same thing..

I’m sure ATA had good intentions with the content they produced.

It was the players that she is referring to that came off as rude and immature, so if anything, I’d say that she doesn’t necessarily owe it to them to be completely kind.

 

[Day]

Seeing as how Marcie liked this, I'm assuming I read correctly. Looking forward to seeing the adjustments that will be made! Hopefully they will be satisfactory for the general community so we can all move on and progress from this, and continue playing and enjoying PIMD for what it is and should be.

Couldn’t say it better myself! I’m excited to see what additions or changes they’ll make to better gameplay.

 

[Aphire]

I’m sure ATA had good intentions with the content they produced.

It was the players that she is referring to that came off as rude and immature, so if anything, I’d say that she doesn’t necessarily owe it to them to be completely kind.[/QUOTE
It's not that she owes them anything, however it DOES reflect badly on the company that they have people responding to critism (conveyed in whatever way) like this