You're gross and I don't know why you have to get sexually graphic. What do you mean learning about Jewish people during Black History Month lmfaoooo??? Most Jewish people are NOT white but go off I guess. Not even most white people consider them white... which is why they have been targeted for persecution for thousands of years...
@firebends Read an actual history book for once. The persecution for the majority of those thousands of years stemmed from religious differences. The idea of a racial difference and therefore persecution for racial reasons is a modern idea. Antiochus IV Epiphanes (I bet you did not know of him until you googled him after I mentioned him) did not persecute the Jewish people because of their race, he did it because of their religion and the political ramifications of the priesthood. (He did not persecute Jews outside of Judea for being practicing Jews; that's why many scholars believe their were political motivations as well.)
I'm not gross, in fact, a majority of the population would consider you more gross than me simply because of your sexuality. I'm glad you looked up what Blacked is though. Now, never try to discredit BBC again with your defamatory opinions. Most Jewish people ARE considered white. The white Cristians and Catholics don't consider them white because of their religion. Where has a Jew ever been attacked for not being white? Hitler indiscriminately had them killed. No school should teach students about the Holocaust during Black History month. It has absolutely nothing to do with African Americans and other black people. That's not our history. It's annoying. They refuse to teach about Leopold. 15 million dead Africans is more than 10 million dead Europeans. Hitler wasn't even close. 5 million away from Leopold.
Hit.ler is censored, but Leopold isn't? SMFH. The names of the confederate leaders should be censored too. Anyways, it's not like talking to a brick wall, you just refuse to believe the truth. You may live in Philly, but that doesn't mean you know anything about our true history and belong to our culture.
I agree if a certain German leader's name is censored, Leopold II should be censored. (So should Stalin and Mao.) However, I do not think anyone's name should be censored because it would make it more difficult to have discussions, such as this one. If you could not name Leopold II, King of the Belgians, it would make it much harder for you raise the point of his exclusion from the pantheon of evil. Going back to the certain German leader, the censorship policies for the National Socialists on here are ridiculous. I can't type out his name or the short-name for his Party (Nazi), but I can say the full name of the Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party), and I can say the names of other high ranking National Socialist officials (Himmler, Goering/Göring). These men had more to do with the day to day running of the atrocities committed by the National Socialists that the one whose name is censored.
I never claimed to be a part of black culture because I live in Philadelphia LOL Also, KĶK is censored. Hıtler is a more specific name than Leopold; also, by your own admission, most people know Hıtler MORE than Leopold. Of course well known ones would be censored. The n-word is also censored, in it's multiple spellings. Lots of things have become censored due to specific incidents involving the use of these words. If people do not know about Leopold, the name really cannot be weaponized as Hıtler's did. Hıtler also killed black people. There were black victims of the Holocaust. There are black Jewish people, and regular black Germans and black people living in other parts of Eastern Europe.
The number of black people killed in the German death machine was very small, relatively speaking. I'm not saying it shouldn't be mentioned during Black History Month events/lessons, but it shouldn't be a main topic. If I understood Papi correctly, he was saying it was a main focus.
@firebends "The fate of black people from 1933 to 1945 in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories ranged from isolation to persecution, sterilization, medical experimentation, incarceration, brutality, and murder. However, there was no systematic program for their elimination as there was for Jews and other groups." From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Did you miss where I mentioned black Jewish people? Black disabled people also exist. Germany and Eastern Europe isn't in a nutshell; these types of people existed there. Also, they were still persecuted under Nazı Germany, which is essentially what I meant, not to mention that medical experimentation took place in concentration camps. I never argued on Jaco's point that black history needs to be discussed during Black History Month. I agree on that. I was more miffed on why he even brought that up because it had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and I had never seen discussion of the Holocaust overtaking black history. My point in mentioning the position of black people during the time of Nazı Germany was that those two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Additionally, I'm surprised with how much Jaco champions himself on being woke that he even supports Black History Month. The existance of a month to celebrate it is just a band-aid over the fact that black history isn't and continues to not be integrated into school curriculum, throughout the entire school year and not just one month. I think his focus should be more towards advocating for that change to basic curriculum than towards, "I wish they would stop talking about the Jews during Black History Month!" which is counterproductive considering Jewish issues, besides the Holocaust, are rarely integrated into curriculum as well.
I never denied that they did not exist in extremely small numbers, but they were not victims of a systematic program for elimination. You mentioned Jewish people who were black and disabled people who were black. Their inclusion in the network of the "Final Solution" (which is the Holocaust; not all National Socialist atrocities fall under the Holocaust. The T-4 program, for instance, predates the Holocaust. The murder of Slavic partisans is not a part of the Holocaust.) stemmed from their Jewishness or disability, not their race. While the mistreatment of black people by the German state should be included in black history month, it is obviously wrong to magnify the atrocities the National Socialists committed against black people as black people and underplay the acts of more favored countries/governments.
I never said that black people in the Holocaust were targeted for their race... I only said there were black victims of the Holocaust. I wasn't trying to magnify it, and was more or less just informing Jaco (as I have before, as we have had this argument before) that those two topics aren't inherently mutually exclusive. Jaco also has continued to underplay the atrocities of the Holocaust throughout this conversation, by saying "only 11 million died compared to [x event here where more people died]" and that "only Europeans died".
Well, when one is dealing with someone who knows very little history, one must always cover one's bases. No offense to you personally, of course.