No? I havnt changed anything i said. 2 things can exist at the same time. People can pvp AND People can say no to giving away their stuff It doesnt have to be 1 or the other
You also said "if you don't want to pvp. Then don't pvp" And you was just arguing that it's a part of the game
It is part of the game. If it wasnt part of the game you wouldnt be here complaining about it coz it wouldnt exist to complain about. You dont have to use every single mechanic that exists in a game. But just coz you dont want to use a certain mechanic it doesnt mean everyone else who does want to use it should be punished for it
Ah, so now we’re playing the “it's in the game, so it’s fair” card. By that logic, anything coded in is automatically justified, right? Cool—guess that means exploiting bugs or griefing lowbies is totally fair game too. After all, “it exists, so it’s valid,” right? You say "if you don’t want to PvP, then don’t,” but then turn around and defend people forcing PvP interactions by endlessly hitting or threatening until someone gives in. That’s not just contradicting — that’s basically arguing both sides of the coin so you can pretend you’ve got a point no matter what. And no, people refusing to give in doesn’t magically make it okay to keep badgering them for months. “Just say no” isn’t some PvP shield. You can say no 100 times and still get stripped, farmed, harassed, or see friends dragged in — so let’s not act like the only issue is people being too “weak” to refuse. That’s a garbage take. You claim no one should be “punished” for using PvP. But the only people getting punished are those who don’t want to participate and are still getting dragged into months-long harassment campaigns under the excuse of “it’s just a game mechanic.” You can’t claim it’s optional while actively supporting the people who make it non-optional for others. You want to be honest? Just say you like PvP and don’t care how it affects others — don’t try to dress it up as some moral high ground.
I couldnt care less either way. I have no interest in pvp on here coz it doesnt keep my attention enough to be worth it. But it doesnt mean i think people who do enjoy it should have it taken away. Again. This is just a game. Stop taking everything so personal. Its not that serious. Get off your phone for a bit and go outside. It will do you some favors
If you “couldn’t care less,” then why jump in just to downplay the conversation? Saying “it’s just a game” is a classic way of dismissing real issues people are raising—not because the topic isn’t valid, but because it makes you uncomfortable to engage with it. Nobody’s saying PvP should be removed for those who enjoy it. We’re saying it should be better structured so it doesn’t drive people away when it’s used to bully, provoke, or gatekeep casual players. And let’s not pretend “just go outside” is a clever point—it’s a dodge. People can enjoy a game and still call out the ways its systems are being misused. That’s not taking it too seriously—it’s called giving a damn about the community you’re part of. So if you truly don’t care either way, maybe step aside and let those who do actually work toward making the game better—for everyone.
Ata have made it clear they only care about making more bank now. They give no fucks about any of this either. But if you want to waste time on nothing then go for it
This is pretty heated and I onpy have a few minutes so I'ma throw in my two cents, best argument, instead of addressing every point. Jen, don't go the way of the fairy. You shouldn't be agreeing with Standing, here. You started out small and have been stripped a lot by larger players for sure and opposing Tutor stripping makes sense... but your case is very different to the case of Standing-on-business. They were not strip farmed like you were. They are in a cushy position with big, underpriced tutors and are complaining about people just hiring them - not even hitting afterwards. My argument here is extremely simple: you make money when people hire tutors from you. The action of hiring a tutor off of someone only benefits that person. If people are stripping all of your tutors, kiss their feet because ong I wish someone would do that for me. Any day of the week! They are angry at me? They are doing it "aggressively"? Make me breakfast in bed, harder!!! I will be laughing all the way to the bank! It takes a minute to find a new, bigger, badder tutor for them to hire next time so I can make even more money. The only time I understand people finding tutor stripping to be violent is when they don't know how to find tutors the easiest way: the tutor hire list. Looking for new tutors is not an arduous task but a joyful forage in your back yard. and anyone that would complain shows that they have no idea where their back door is.
How is that true? You made the thread. You did Google research to write paragraphs to respond. I feel like you are the one.
Y’all keep saying I’m the one off-topic, when all I did was make one post: open farm on SmurfBerryCrunch for tutor bullying. I didn’t turn it into a PvP debate—you all did. I just didn’t roll over when a crowd started twisting the narrative. And now you’re asking why I’m “still here fighting everyone”? Because I’m not scared of being outnumbered when the point still stands. Being the loudest group doesn’t make you right—it just makes you louder. Also—wild how so many of you are suddenly PvP purists, but not a single one of you has actually farmed the person who started all of this: SmurfBerryCrunch. If what I said was so ridiculous and PvP is so sacred, why is nobody touching her? You’re not defending PvP. You’re defending a double standard. And I’m not here to stay quiet just because it makes the group more comfortable.
It’s actually kind of impressive how confidently you managed to miss the point entirely. You’re talking like tutor hiring is some kind of gift—like anyone being targeted should be grateful for it. But here’s the part you clearly can’t wrap your head around: Not all tutor hires are done for profit. Sometimes it’s done strategically, but other times, it’s purely to provoke. To bait. To push someone into reacting, get them kicked from clubs, or dragged into SFW. That’s not gameplay—it’s petty power play. And if you can’t see the difference, maybe that’s why this conversation is clearly over your head. You reduced a nuanced, community-wide issue to “just laugh and take the cash,” which tells me one thing: You don’t know the game half as well as you think you do. You’re not making a smart argument—you’re just pandering with surface-level takes and hoping no one calls you on it. Now someone has.
Wild how all the loudest “PvP is just part of the game” warriors suddenly go quiet when there’s an actual open farm with a valid reason. You’d think that after all the talk about how “you don’t need a reason to farm,” “tutor hires aren’t bullying,” and “people should stop crying,” SmurfBerryCrunch would’ve been stripped by now. But nah. No hits. No action. Just a lot of keyboard warriors debating theory while the target walks untouched. So either: You don’t actually believe the stuff you’ve been preaching You pick and choose your targets based on convenience, not principle Or you’re only “PvP for no reason” when it’s aimed at weaker players who won’t clap back Y’all are out here defending PvP like it’s sacred, but when it’s your turn to actually do something? Suddenly it’s all silence, excuses, and off-topic lectures. It’s almost like the PvP talk was never about the game… just control. But go ahead, prove me wrong. Farm her. Or don’t—and prove every word right.
Alright. First of all, you can't expect people to farm someone just because you ask on a public forum. At least not without reason, which is why I asked for tea, or the reason why people should farm SmurfberryCrunch. As a veteran, I have seen all sorts of reasons for farming and reasons for not farming. A common reason why people don't farm is because they don't have a reason to, but thats not to say that anybody needs a reason to farm or even hit players. We have established that hitting is part of the game. Now, for reasons why people farm, there have been petty reasons and valid reasons, ranging from Bored, Don't like the person, Trolling, Something Someone Said, Hit Friend, Hit Clubmate, and yes, even Tutnapping or Hiring Tutors, accidentally or forcefully, resulting in Volleying. There's a million reasons why people hit. And, in your case, its for Targeted Stripping. At least from what I can gather. Please feel free to correct me if im wrong. However, we are establishing that Tutor Hiring is also part of the game, regardless if its done from the Tutor Market, or stripping someone of their Tutors, aka, yours. The reason why we raise that point is because of two reasons: 1. Hitting someone over Tutors is kind of pointless (unless stripping/being stripped) 2. Getting your Tutors hired makes money so there's no reason to actually hit And, by the looks of it, it doesn't seem like they're hitting you after they hire. Again, please feel free to correct me. And, yes, I've been in your place before: When I was smaller, about maybe 10mcs, and still growing, I was able to hire an active tutor for the first time, and managed to keep them at around 1T, which was very rare for me. Then all of a sudden, a 200mcs player started hiring them off me, and I tried to keep them but I was outhired and couldn't afford to hire them back. Its frustrating, but thats how the game goes. I didn't think it was fair either, but I just let it go, and unfortunately, that Tutor went inactive. Going back, the reasons why I, myself, arent farming is because: - I'm retired - My account sucks - I'm lazy - I don't want to bring unnecessary drama to my club - I don't want to get kicked out of my club - I don't want to start something I probably can't or won't finish Even though I don't pvp anymore or if the game starts feeling unfair, I will always advocate for pvp until it gets removed entirely. I hope this was coherent and organized as I think it is.