Psychology is based off of genetics and society. nature-nurture debate. What is the essence of these new genders? I'd really have to try to if aregue that they're invented and formed from the genders we originally knew and are physiologically represented (Male and Female)? Would gender exist without biological (bypass)?
all genders are "invented" and none are "new"! just the terminology can seem "new" if the social separations that exist due to biological bypasses didnt, then it wouldn't be necessary to identify outside of them - i analogize it to saying if blue and yellow didnt exist, would green? the construct of gender originated due to, but not based on, biological...bypass :lol: ata pls just let me say it this is ridiculous. in any case, nonbinary identities have been around as long as binary ones have! but it's safe to say that yes, without physical difference in bypass, gender as a construct would likely not exist.
But have they really been around as long as binary ones? I am skeptical as to the significance or existance of these other genders. Isn't *bypass* all that really matters at the end of the day anyway? I mean it all seems to me to be quite first-world to be able to make an issue out of or to even identify (not suggesting invention occurred) a "gender". And is it perhaps more harmful to society to be antagonized by these people who insist on their right to be upset when they ask to be called and recognized as something previously unheard of. Than it is for these people who are wholeheartedly convinced of their difference and uniqueness and defect to the system to bear its whips and criticisms?
Also I find it funny how people talk about demolishing the "binary". We have males and females as the binary. Then we have males who feel like females, females who feel like males, People who somehow defy it and feel like neither (gendervoid) and those that somehow feel like both (aren't they contrastive?) You can't really demolish a binary or disprove it until you find a third element to make it into a 3-way thing. So isn't it still just a gender binary where people pick and choose based off of their either a) upbringing and experiences or b) genetics?
yes! ancient egypt, india, and indonesia, for example, all had 3 or more common gender identities in their society. as long as gender has been around, nonbinary genders have. not to sound patronizing, but i believe it's hard to understand the significance of gender identity if you're not trans. imagine if everyone in your life suddenly started referring to you as female, and laughing, degrading, even attacking you when you attempt to correct them. you can no longer wear clothes that you're comfortable in, speak how you normally do, even use the correct washroom. people viewing you as something you aren't really DOES affect you, and i dont just mean in ways of society's discrimination and violence. as for your second question; no... obviously. transphobia is harmful to society, not trans people. you phrased that in a way im extremely uncomfortable with, implying we dont have a right to correct people or express disdain when we are systematically oppressed and attacked. as i stated in a previous post; being trans is not a choice. please stop treating it as one, and implying the things we face are our fault. that kind of victim-blaming only serves to validate and perpetuate the already-rampant discrimination against LGBT people as a whole.
when we speak of destroying the binary, that is not what we mean. if youd like me to explain that, i can, but rn im just gonna address your main point in this comment. if the code is based on 0's and 1's and you add 2's and 3's, you're no longer operating under a binary. it's really that simple. whether the other numbers are made up of 0's and 1's or not, they are still unique to them; still outside the binary; still valid. you say there needs to be a "third option," while discussing exactly that...? and again, nobody is "picking and choosing"
Never said it was your choice. The influences of parents, school, peers, media and other things perhaps also along with genes all contribute I believe. But I don't think it can be down to anything else. And yes the discrimination isn't pleasant for anyone. Gender just confuses me and nothing I've ever read or seen on the topic has really clarified that
I disagree that 2s and 3s were added. Just looks like 00,01,10,11 were derived from the original elements 0 and 1
u know, this is rly funny, bc my club has on more than one occasion mass questioned me as to my gender and some ppl STILL are convinced im a chick or a dude!
You may be in the middle. Would you say you feel neither masculine nor feminine? I say do whatever is most comfortable for you though.
it's understandable why an experience you've never had might confuse you, and that's part of why i made this thread in the first place. there are many theories on what gender is and why exactly we feel like we do - all this new terminology is an attempt to put a name to feelings that have been around for a very long time. dysphoria, for instance, can manifest itself as a profound sense of wrongness in the way your body looks/feels, in the way people treat you as something you are not, in the labels people assign you. that's hardly a choice, and not exactly something you'd want to sweep aside your whole life just to make it less complicated for people who see the world in a binary. when many people have these similar experiences, such as dysphoria and feeling like they are masculine/feminine/neither/both/a mix of the two, they form a community with their own terms and own stories. some have medical conditions (intersex and the like) that influence how they view gender; some do not. some have been forced to conform to a certain gender norm from birth; some have been allowed relative freedom in expression. gender is very difficult to define in simple terms. it is also fairly difficult to explain to you how a transgender person feels, because even among the community our experiences can be vastly different. but i hope my crappy long-ass rant has shed at least a teeny bit of light? D:
ah. i am indeed kind of neither here nor there in terms of gender, so i just let people assume what they wish - it reveals quite a bit about them, in any case. it's why i often to dont reveal my biological /cough/, because most people immediately form an assumption about ~what i am~ based on that and it's nearly impossible to get rid of.
I think pan-sexuality is truly just a fancy word for bisexual. Reason being, the solid truth is there are two genders (besides that very rare case of herms). At the end of the day you're liking someone who's a male or female OR identifies as a male or female.