2012 Presidential Elections

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by NinzSizzle, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. Mass is in a terrible state. Obama did pretty well with that sack of shit he was given.
     
  2. Lol I love when people for Obama use the "racist" card. I'm a little late responding to this comment, but no. We don't vote presidents because they're black or white. Seriously?

    But anyways, Obama said he would cut our deficit in half. Instead, it almost doubled. Argue with me ALL you want on this point, but it's a fact. I dare you to go look it up.

    As for jobs, unemployment rate when Obama took office was around 5%. Now it's around 8%. Oh, you want to argue with me on this, too? Looky here:

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

    Mmhmm.
     
  3. Agreed.

    I don't even live in USA why does this affect me? 
     
  4. Oreo, minor correction: I think you're looking at BLS for 1/2008, not 1/2009. If you scroll to the table, it shows unemployment at 7.8 percent.

    Additionally, people don't realize that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not put on the ledger in the same way under Bush as under Obama, so a significant spike in the deficit can be traced to Obama's decision to make transparent those expenses that had been hidden in supplemental emergency appropriations bills.

    This is not to say that Obama is perfect. Just highlighting some distortions. 
     
  5. Also-- and this was a slick trick on his part, Obama promised to cut the yearly deficit in half from what it was under Bush (ie, if there was 1T deficit in 2008, Obama promised that deficit in 2012 would only be 500B). He did not promise to pay down our national debt by half -- I wish he had, and I wish he had accomplished it, but such is life.

    Now, the extent to which he's met his goal of reducing the yearly deficit is not a clean win for him either. You can fault him for that. 
     
  6. Last bit of clarity: deficit = yearly budget shortfall. Debt = total accumulation of all deficits.

     The More You Know
     
  7. Now, how many of those jobs are shitty and minimum wage?
     
  8. Because Romney likes to send kids who can't legally drink a beer out to die in other countries to protect his ass.
     
  9. Oreo, whatever article you found that data bush had unemployment at 5% is totally ********.  Obama gas actually created many many jobs. Unemployment when bush was in office had to be at least in the teens... The guy was a trainwreck and you all know it. Plus, why are you saying that it's bad that he didn't keep that promise? Find me one president who hasn't lied about a dozen things during election time. You can't. But for some reason you think Romney is going to get them all jobs... No, Romney is going to get them all dead.  and his whole stance on birth control would be much more credible if the product of that law (which would clearly be more lower class kids), would be supported. Instead, they'll have absolutely nothing to live off of and will just be homeless, probably abandoned by their mothers, until they die or find someone to take them in. Welfare pays waaaaaay too high, but it needs to be there. It doesn't need to be giving as much as it does(higher than minimum wage in 37 states, and in one state it pays higher than the first years salary for a computer programmer. Look it up if you don't believe me.) but it needs to be there.
     
  10. And it sounds silly Oreo but trust me it happens. Don't think nobody's a racist lol.
     
  11. So the guy was a trainwreck yet he got elected twice? Sounds legit... Idek how Obama has any supporters left, but if you want higher taxes, less jobs, more debt vote for Obama.

    Also on another note the unemployment is actually around 10-12% go look it up! It's only at the 7-8% because everyone has given up trying to find a job because they can't get any, so they stop searching for jobs, they get taken off unemployment.

    And then everyone pulls out the race card, well we wouldn't have elected him in the first place if we were racist would we? So shut the fuck up! He's screwed up our country and many that voted for him last year are fed up.

    Bush- The Obama campaign blames everything on Bush, Obama is not responsible, only thing he takes credit for is killing osama bin laden when he's one of the weakest presidents on terrorism, he let's us get pushed around. Debt is 10tril when he comes into office, near the end of his term it's 16tril... Ohh that was bushes fault it was messed up way before I came into office, how do you almost double the nationaal debt and out of all the presidents combined they have only cause a 10tril debt and he alone in 4 years caused a 6tril debt

    Obama is gonna turn our country into socialism, and we are starting to go down the route of the euro. If you wanna end up like greece right now, vote for Obama. There is just nothing good on his resúme. He's failed in his 4 years, give someone new a chance.

    Romney/Ryan
     
  12. Also blockey if you aren't old enough to vote you were probabaly anywhere from 10-14 years old in Bush's first term... No 10 year old cares about politics. Right there another Obama supporter who's been brainwashed... Why can't you people see?
     
  13. Take that back in Bush's first term you were probabaly younger than 5 years old

    If you're 17 now assuming subtract obama's 4 years that's 13, subtract bush's 8 that's 5... When he first went into office you were around 5 I don't think you should be talking about bush being a trainwreck.
     
  14. ._. Crist , why should age be thrown around? That shows how much smarter someone younger can be.

    Debt, it is a number, as citizens we should not really care about it. We cannot do anything about it because no matter what we do at this point we will not decrease it, we will not get out of it.

    Romney, he will only lower the amount the government would make. There would be no surplus and I see the country getting worse. You need to be stupid to vote for someone who wants to destroy the middle class. You need to be stupid for someone who IS RICH and wants to only protect the rich. Romney would screw over everyone and take all our money if he could. He does not care about anyone but himself.

     If you seriously think that things would get better with Romney, you're thinking is dangerous.

    Obama is socialist socialist?
    Tell me, what makes socialism so bad? Why do we hate it? Is it only because USSR was run by an extreme case of it? I think that our country needs a little bit of socialism. Maybe it would improve things if we had a little bit of it around here.
     
  15. That's what we need to do is stop government spending... And why sshiuldnt care about the debt? Guess why taxes go up because of the debt... So just shut up you dimwit you know nothing
     
  16. And by the way so Obama isn't rich? Obama isn't the one who uses his presidency as a celebrity status? Every time you look he's on another late night talk show while everyone else is campaigning
     
  17. And to blame it all on Bush, yeah we can blame it on him still. If it were not for Bush's adminiatration that allowed and made us get into the trouble we are now then Obama would not have needed to try so hard to try to fix it.

    Look at it this way:

    If I break my bike, it is my fault. If my dad tries to fix it but breaks it more because I before made it that bad. It was still my fault. Only difference is Bush got us in this mess and we are in this mess still.

    in th e Great Depression FDR did tons of spending to try to fix things only got worse before we got better.
    Only difference between now and then: war
     
  18. When bush was in office they actually spent money on things they should be... Military is something the governmnt should be spending money on but instead they try passing all these useless bills that are in the long teem gonna kill our country
     
  19. And saying we shouldn't care about the debt was one of the stupidest things I've heard... But then again what should you expect from an Obama supporter
     
  20. Obama is rich, but he wants to be taxed and share his money. He also wants the rich business owners to pay more too.

    If the the people he are targetting, 250,000 anual income, if their money is taxed to 50%, then they would make the same amount of money anual as someone in the middle class with a very good well paying job before taxes are taken.

    Also, I do not think they need so much when food would be so cheap for them. The rich will not die if taxed more.