Revamp tutor/pupil relationship

Discussion in 'Questions/Feedback' started by Priapos, Jan 9, 2024.

  1. The way how some people are communicting in PIMD is really concerning especially if they are your pupil. I got wall entries like "I own you" (sorry? No! I'M NOT A SUBJECT OR SLAVE OR WHATEVER THEY THINK) or I kindly asked my pup for something and I was blocked by him. I wonder why this is possible, because this is not what a tutor/pupil relationship should be (wasn't the intension to have players supporting each other)? Therefore, it should NOT be possible to block tutors or at least, when a tutor is blocked by it's pupil He will be dropped as well to give him a chance to find a friendly pupil. Moreover, players should be allowed to refuse a pupil, e.g. if blocking a bad pupil, they should not be able to hire/rehire again. I hope you (ATA) understand my concerns and consider to incooperate the suggested chances into the game. Thank you.
     
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  2. No support.

    A lot of the times, farmers hire their targets so they have a ql even if one is spammed off of their wall. A lot of people block farmers. It would be an inconvenience if you could no longer block your farmer.
     
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  3. The point of tutors is for misc stat boost. Not to play happy families
     
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  4. No support. I thought about typing a rebuttal but for this suggestion, I’ll just quote Flocc.
     
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  5. you did not understand the assignment
     
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  6. I think you've misunderstood that the pupil tutor relationship is just a game mechanic.

    If you need assistance, seek out players who are looking to help others, there are many. Pupils don't have any requirement to help or even speak to you by hiring you.

    You also have no responsibility to them as a tutor. It is a factual statement that they own you although that really doesn't mean anything for you besides their name being on your profile. If you don't want to be contacted by your pupil, feel free to block them.

    Additionally, making it impossible to block someone for any reason can lead to harassment.
     
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  7. No support from my end either.

    This is a solid game mechanic that shouldn’t change, and you’ve unfortunately misunderstood. All of the explanations above are valid.
     
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  8. Thank you for reply. I do understand the game.mechanics well, but the are not well-balanced. You're all big accounts so you maybe not noted that small account have zero chance If someone like to "destroy" them by taking their tutors over and over again. Without tutors hunt drops and payout is poor. So give small players a tool to keep at least some tutors.
    Also, you talked about harassment, but farming people week by week is harassment too imo. Especially if it comes with cf request, which I do call extortion. Sadly this is part of the game too.
     
  9. I thought about this reply, but I saw you're a moderator, so I want to say a few words about your thought what "owning people" means.
    You're saying it's a factual statement and I totally disagree. There have been times in history when people have been owned, but they are over since 1865-01-31, at least in the USA. It's called slavery. And using these words is not a factural state but nothing else then derogative and reactionary. I know there are still people in the world who think that way, but If you really mean what you've written, it's a concern. Moderators should not think this way.
     
  10. If you're comparing a phone app game mechanic to literal slavery, you need to take a step back and reconsider lol
     
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  11. My comment was related to the words players are using here and not to game mechanics. Sadly, you're only having a laugh for that. The used words have been intended to debase me no matter what and they are the words of people of the 18th century.
    So sad that you're not able to see.
    And yes, it's a game only but with a huge part of player interaction and player communication. Therefore, ATA released some rules Like:

    "Posting messages or engaging in actions that discriminate, promote hate, violence, or advocate hatred or discrimination against individuals, groups, races, cultures, or organizations."

    These are not my rules but ATA rules and I expect that especially Moderators do care about them.
     
  12. Your hire value is $15m. You have definitely not been harassed with hires. You have 26 fight losses. You have not been farmed. So ….. you are either someone that made an alt to cry in forums or you are very very sensitive and possibly should consider taking a deep breath. I do see the player that said they own you, even though they don’t currently. Delete and block. Problem solved.
     
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  13. While ata do have rules and I’m glad you read up on them since most players don’t, I own you doesn’t fall under these categories as it is not doing any of those. If they posted about owning you in relations to slavery as you’ve previously mentioned for example, that would be silenced. But there’s no harm in someone walling I own you, it’s just a fact, they purchased you as a tutor so technically in game they do but they has nothing to do with your game play, discrimination, violence or hatred.
    If the wall post bothers you this much I’d recommend deleting it and blocking them so they can no longer contact you
     
  14. It depends on the context, if I own you is falling under this category. I don't think the player wanted to tell me he is my pup, but he wanted to debase me indeed. And yes, I'm sensitive but I expect some kind of senitivity from moderators, especially with respect to harassment.
    And please don't mix-up the derogative speech with the game machanics thing: I made some suggestions, ATA don't like them... I'm fine.
    But I'm not fine how people are communicting to each other. And what's bothering me is Not the wall entry. Other player should see how these guys are. What's bothering me is there are no consequences within the game for insulting and harassing people. Moreover, I started to recoginze that this is probably a big part of the game, after watching other player walls and the campus chats. Chat is full of insulting, sexual vilification, and hate. So I get it: with consequences against those guys, you well probably use A LOT of Game members here...
     
  15. Sorry to disappoint you, but neither of both. I wasn't farmed but my initial pup was (so I was involved). They've been very nice to me that's why I wanted to stay. But the guy who hired me blocked me so I couldn't talk to him.
    So sad to see that none of you guys seems to have a problem with that kind of unfriendly behavior ...with at least a thin line between unfriendly and harassment. You seem to have more a problem with player like me who dare to talk about these things and who post some constructive criticism.
     
  16. It’s a game. Not an etiquette class.
     
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  17. I understand what you mean but at the end of the day hiring people, hitting people (farming) and blocking people for a quick link is a part of the game and not quite harassment which people who are being farmed or in similar situations tend to get confused.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but putting yours on forums gives other players the opportunity to give theirs in return, if you would prefer players not to reply with critiques of their own then I would suggest sending your ideas in to the devs through a help ticket since this is more of a community feedback space
     
  18. The context is THIS GAME. not real life. Stop dramatizing the situation just coz you dont want to keep tuts to their value
     
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  19. Stop impute to me what I want or don't want. If you're not fine with players forum postings, Just don't read it.
     
  20. Of course everyone should have his own opinion and i'm fine if players don't like these suggestions.
    But you should not downplay vilification to a factual matter, cause it isn't. I expected some kind of sensitivity from moderators when it comes to harassment.