There is though, lots of studies have been done and shown that there is a pay gap in almost every position. You're going off two things which are inaccurate. However we are now completely off the topic of this thread. Done
That's across majors - not everyone has a degree, but either way - there is a gender bias, which you've just supported
That's not fair. It is a reputed website. And I claim misandry again, the women always winning the feminism argument. You must allow us to win if there is to be gender equality
No there isn't selfie. I am supplying you with facts and you simply ignore them. The problem with feminism is they have selective hearing. Facts don't go over too well with them.
Wayne, the 6 cent wage gaps in the same field is explained by women tending to take lower level positions "nurse, receptionist, etc) while men tend to move toward higher level positions (surgeons, etc). Maybe if you would read what I'm saying instead of blinding refuting everything
He has a point though. All his statements are supported by official surveys/whatnot. Debate if you must but don't ignore what the other person says while being stubborn in your views.
^ I'm Cherry and facts have been provided to you and you ignore them. Facts don't go over to well with whom?
What facts, you said surveys support them, like what? And I don't think any surveys will be more credible than the one don't be the US job department. You simply said that my evidence was inaccurate without providing any of your own.
But you've still supported there is a bias and a gap. That's the thing, regardless of what you've shown. There is still a gap. Damn everyone's on something today. I need coffee And I'm done, this has gotten way off topic. If someone wants to argue this make a different thread for it.
Yes, I agree that some of this is due to choice, while some is just outright discrimination. But what drives these choices? Societal norms. Women are expected to take time off from work to stay at home and take care of children, cook, clean, and do other domestic chores. "Women are encouraged to pursue certain types of work and discouraged from pursuing others. These gender role expectations can be very subtle, such as when the mass media stereotypes what is considered appropriate behavior for women, or they can be profound, such as when women enter traditionally male-dominated fields and encounter hostile work environments. Recent legal settlements indicate that women at Home Depot were discouraged from floor sales positions and steered toward cashier jobs, while male technicians at CBS were more likely to be offered lucrative overtime assignments than women. This hostility and subtler forms of resistance discourage women from pursuing non-traditional work opportunities. Recently, nine Ivy League universities acknowledged that women face barriers in the fields of science and engineering and pledged to remove those barriers." https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications ... rimination
How much of that can be placed on on discrimination rather than merit. Perhaps the men have earned these overtime assignments and weren't just picked because they are men. But I agree on the point about engineering and science degrees. I think the main things discouraging women from entering these programs is how heavily men-dominant it is.
Dude, There exists a gender pay gap. Everything you've posted agrees with this. It exists at a CEO level - I've shown you a high level view of the gap. It exists in aggregate - based on the median salary calculations. You're arguing over the drivers of the gap. Meta analysis of a UK study of male and female company directors showed female directors earning c. £20k less for doing the same job. A CMI study in the UK identified on a like for like role basis women were paid 25% less than their male counter parts (c. £40k vs £30k) So there are three questions to answer: 1. Is the gap fair (we know it exists) - should women be paid less for doing the same role? No is the obvious answer. 2. Should a glass ceiling be in place which limits the ability of women to climb the corporate ladder? Again, no. This will contribute to gap drivers. 3. Should women stay home and make sammiches, or if they are hot work in a strip club? Yes, of course they should. If that's their choice. The problem with aggregate median calculations is it doesn't factor choice into the equation, which will skew the size of the gap. Some women will chose not to be a company director in order to get home, deal with their family and put tea on the table. That's the choice, and they have the right to chose it. But on a like for like basis, women are paid less. So we have gender inequality.