It is about time the code to Tutor Trading be written. It is a highly efficient way to earn money and is a fundamental aspect of the game. A lot of people say that they are "disgusted at how inhuman and greedy tutor traders are." I find the idea is rather ridiculous. Considering the game was designed so that profit could be earned from hiring tutors and having them hired away. Even when you click the Tutor button on your hime page you will notice that it says, "Hire Tutors to increase your stats. Earn profit when they are hired away." So, what is would be a good rule to follow when dealing with tutors? I believe it to be 100% Open Market. If there is a Hire button on a players profile then they are in the Open Market. Probably one of the most compassionate things the PIMD community has ever come to an agreement on is to not hire while a Pupil is in a war. To further explain that last statement, if a Pupil is in a real war where both side are taking hits, you should never hire from that person until the war has been completed. When you hire that persons tutor they will find themselves with the amount of cash the tutor was worth out in the open. Everytime that player receives a hit they will lose a percentage of the money they have out. Just because a player wins $20mil from hitting does not mean the defender lost $20mil. The amount the defender loses is a percentage of their total cash out and could exceed hundreds of millions depending kn their total. Another point to be made is, it is an absolute waste of your status message if you put,"Do not hire my tutors" or "Ask before hring tutors". The only time this status message should appear on your profile is when yiu are in war. No one will pay attention to the status if you are outside of a war. And no, people will not ask first! This is even more moronic and noobish than to ask for tutors not to be hired. Please do not be one of those arrogant people who believes that you are entitled to under priced and active tutors. The last thing I am going to do is ask your permission. I don't need your permission because the Hire button is not disabled until you give permission and there is not a "Ask Pupil's Permission to Hire" button on any Tutor's Profile that I have ever seen. Force volley and force bumping. What a ridiculous term. When a player hires a tutor there is now way to force you to Hire back. Do not use these terms with tutor traders or experienced players. I do not care if you are LCBC or 1kcs with $4T cash out, yiu will sound like a total noob. Lastly, never farm over anything regarding tutors. The only time this should be remotely consisered is if the tutor hire could have or did cost you significant sums of money due to a war you were in. Even then, extreme caution should be used when farming or even threatening to do so over a tutor hire. Personally, I believe if you are so arrogant and such a noob that you believe that a Tutor you have had hired away from you justifies you farming or hitting a player even once, you should be stripped of every single Tutor if not farmed afterward. Maybe after that you may realize that the ability to gire a tutor cannot be stopped by a status message or threats. I have came across more people that agree with this code and the Open Market philosophy with tutors. I would love to see a lot of positive feedback from various players throughout the game to begin to show the community that just can't seem to get it thatbtheir Tutor Tirades and arrogance will nit be tolerated and ignored entirely.
Nice thread, well reasoned. Why don't PimD let us mention people to see this...I can think of so many people to "tag" here.
Even if they hit once they should be stripped of all their tuts? Isn't that a bit harsh? I hit random people once to make money. I'm sure other people do too.
By the way...though I usually don't hire if you're in war, I have found some people who are always in war. I feel that they are merely using war as an excuse to keep their tutors.
You lose about 0.25% per hit of your money out when you lose a fight from an attacker. Open market agreed, there is a hire button on every players page except yours when you view yourself. Respect to ask those in system war or preparing for system war, some will say help yourself cos they are staying self pin, so they won't lose any more due to no one being able to hit them.
Nice thread. Tutor market should be open, if u want to keep your tutor, u can actually set them at a higher price. If you are in a war, the more you should not keep underprice tutor with u. If u keep up tut while in war and others hire, u cant blame them, its your fault.
I agree all the above No, because what happen when they recently upgraded and u are in war Ever thought of that?
I agree with the thread in a few aspects. I disagree about the 100% free market. You should rather seek permission from the tutor if you want to hire, thats my philosophy. But that is only under the conditions the tutor is not asking to be hired and active. Inactive tutors no need for the tutor permission because they won't answer. I do not like tutor traders in the fact they seem heartless with regard to what the tutor(s) want. They do not care and talk about them as if they were inanimate objects. Gonzo1993
Sage, I would be more apt to seek a tutors permission if I didn't know that the largest reason behind a tutor not willing to be hired is because they have been told that they won't get any help from others and brainwashed 90% of the time. I try to give my tutors all the resources needed to learn and grow. If a tutor and Pupil really do have that strong of a connection then the Pupil should never allow them to be underpriced or close to fair market value. I feel comfortable hiring them knowing that they will return to their desired Pupil shortly. If I don't place the hire, then the next trader will, so I eliminate the ethical dilemna by realizing that if I pass it up, others will not. Now some may say what if the Pupil doesn't hire back? Well, I guess they weren't as crazy about the tutor as the tutor may have thiught. Then you might ask, what if the Pupil just can't afford to keep up with their upgrading at the moment? That makes less sense. Should a player be entitled to an LCBC tutor at $20b because they just decided that they had a relationship that overrode the ability of any tutor to be hired at any time? (I kniw that is an extreme example, but it proves the point. Underpriced is underpriced.)
Added note! If you are in War Prep and yoi ask for tutors not to be hired and the war has not even been declared, you are contradicting yourself. Bumping underpirced tutors to be slightly OP is a critical step of the War Prep process. Instead of getting hostile, just wall us a tha.k you for spotting it before some total jerk does amd hires while you are in the war.
I think asking a tutor's permission is 100% important unless the pupil is actively selling. First, ethically it makes sense. These are commodities being traded on an exchange, but they are also human beings that have often fostered a relationship with their pupils. I personally request permission, not out of high-mindedness, but because I have tutors that have and will reset. And your reasoning that you will hire anyway because the tutor is brainwashed... That is just specious self-justification. The fact is that, just like capitalism, there is talk of a free market but there are regulations. You can act like you hire who you want and when but I dare you to hire a tut off a VIP because they are underpriced. There is an informal power structure put in place that guides the market. Coming in with a philosophical forum does nothing to adjust this because behaviors within the market are not controlled by reason but by power.
I have tuts that I try and keep priced to not get hired away. But I also teach my tuts to save for long periods of time before upgrading. So if I am off SLEEPING for 8 hours like I attempt to do at least once a month and they happen to upgrade then I am not on to do the bumps. Now the problem I have isn't that someone hires my tut, cause I will hire back. My problem is that I prefer to have my bigger tuts do the hiring so they can make the money which helps them which ultimately benefits me cause then I spend less doing worthless vollies with inactives to help them. I tend to ask my tuts not to upgrade without telling me when they will first to accommodate this but it isn't perfect. Another issue is that I have spent months teaching and training some of my tuts so I can make money off volleying and eventually selling these tuts. You come along and hire, then someone else does, and you have now volleyed my tut to their stat price while I am sleeping. I lose out on the one return on investment I would make from my efforts of teaching. See what you need to understand is math. Every bump on a tut makes you money. Hire a tut and selling it once makes you money. This is the same with a volley on a tut. You just don't see the profit till you sell the tut. So my problem is having my benefits stolen by tut traders because they want to make the money without regard to my hard work. I have had tuts volleyed out of my price range while I was off so it DOES happen. At lower stats you CANNOT hold a tut. You have neither the size nor cash, so I agree in the smaller ranks that its all fair game. But in the multi-billions its a different story. One bump can be 10b which for some people is days worth of farming. What I recognize is what I call bigger stick syndrome. It means "i am bigger than you and will crush you if you hire my tuts. This s not something I practice, it has been practiced on me. So when they day comes that you can stop mags or someone like that who can retalliate in full, I suggest you be careful about who you hire.
Free market is bs. If the tuts overpriced back off, if its underpriced fair game. I see traders a lot of the time hiring overpriced tutors and wondering why they get farmed. If you hire underpriced tutors they have no reason to farm you. Take it from someone with experience I've made over 600b just trading and haven't gotten farmed once. People have to be courteous and not be greedy. A traders worst enemy is his/her greed.